06:15:52 tomman: I'm fine with EFI on both ;) 13:02:02 good morning SeaMonkey 13:04:19 now I have ltsc 2021 which is NOT broken.. well anymore than windows 10 normally is.. and can grub boot isos on a flash drive.. unified install media .. ALMOST and one of those isos is a cinnamon live cd currently fedora so I can FIX MY BOOTLOADER WHEN EFI OR WINDOWS MESSES WITH IT.. which I find important for every day functioning of my computerized workcenter 13:10:28 also i mangled centos 6 onto here and booted it with my 6.10.x kernel.. after bypassing disk check which is failing likely cause kernel abi and udev complaining SLIGHTLY it otherwise booted up into gnome2 per normal .. full resolution 13:11:18 having the kernel be userspace agnostic is so freakin amazing