> Instead of actually continuing the discussion though, CF went radio silent until sending me an overly broad and generic form-NDA document to sign on Friday at 6pm (through Adobe docusign) without any further explanation, context or personal outreach from Michael, with the NDA apparently put up for signing by someone else within CloudFlare -- of course that will mean it'll be at least again...

...another week until anything happens in terms of even talking, let alone having a solution for CloudFlare still blocking our access.

did you expected something else?

Clownflare WANTS YOU to go away

you, me, and everyone else deemed "navigator non grata" by the Clownflare Browser Junta

well, back to Hackernews again

they're now playing NDA Hardball '25, how lovely

...now I want that game on my Sega Genesis

doesn't matter

Moonchild is UNFIT to do this

SEAMONKEY should be leading this charge

Tell me.. do you think in 2021 i could have been able to negotiate this without fucking it up.. hell i couldn't convince anyone on 52 to go UXP .. Moonchild is even WORSE and that doesn't even count the depths he has sunk to since then.

and seeing as he hates SeaMonkey cause seamonkey didn't want him shipping binaries with their branding.. SOUNDS FAMILAR.. i am sure if a backroom deal is made SeaMonkey will not get the same special treatment.

Moonchild has always maintained if it came down to selling out Pale Moon (not counting side hussles like power ranger coins) he would destroy it. He better hold to that as it has been one of his few consistant positions.

eh, don't overstimate our abilities

this is Clownflare we're talking about

we're Ukraine, they're Trumputin

they can and will nuke us with a single move, unless we get EXTERNAL (read: legal, goverment) help

the NDA-as-gag-order move was completely expected from them

I maintain even if Cloudflare came to their senses .. Moonchild will find some way to fuck it up..

too bad we are nowhere near the EU :/

you're in Trumpistania, and I'm at Soviet Venezuela

if Moonchild was the fucking solution I'd still be there and SeaMonkey would be a Unified XUL Platform application.

wow, this 3-minute ramen turned out to be stupidly spicy

so would waterfox

and Pale Moon

...the packet lied

and Borealis

and Interlink

and we would all have add-ons and wikis and infra and all counterbalance our impulses for the best of everyone and beyond..

but that isn't the way it happened.

and couldn't be ignored

"Every interaction I've ever had with CloudFlare has left me feeling like I needed a bath. The vertical desperately needs some competition but I don't know how that could happen at this point."

a bath with turpentine at the very least, indeed

(from the HN thread)

my issues with cloudflare stem first and foremost from trying to create an active and always up to date error free php system for add-ons while behind cloudflare and moonchilds damnedable filterules

the censorship

came later

so in no way do or can I ever like, use, or support cloudflare even if they were just the reverse proxy cache they pretended to be to take over most of the internet since most of the internet is just the web now plus a few old and insecure and legacy protocols

every point i might find a use for them is basically invalidated by the issues they cause

my hateboner towards Clownflare is the same as any tech monopoly that gets in my way

and oh boy, they have been getting in my way (and then some!) in the last 2 years!

i am also extremely conserned

all because "the Internet is under attack and you could be a foe"

Remember: thanks to Clownflare I was THIS CLOSE of losing my only good credit card

(because the bank deployed that shit on their site... and that complaint didn't went well)

remember elon and the doge teenagers are techies and "smart" the news stories i been seing lately is priming a VERY dangerous thing.. These smart techies fuck people and people are told that.. can you complete this fear?

tomman:

In my case it gets combined with the fact of living at an actual communist hellhole

if my government doesn't kill me, Big Tech will cripple me instead

yay

so here

now