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tomman
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tomman
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tomman> Instead of actually continuing the discussion though, CF went radio silent until sending me an overly broad and generic form-NDA document to sign on Friday at 6pm (through Adobe docusign) without any further explanation, context or personal outreach from Michael, with the NDA apparently put up for signing by someone else within CloudFlare -- of course that will mean it'll be at least again...
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tomman...another week until anything happens in terms of even talking, let alone having a solution for CloudFlare still blocking our access.
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tommandid you expected something else?
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tommanClownflare WANTS YOU to go away
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tommanyou, me, and everyone else deemed "navigator non grata" by the Clownflare Browser Junta
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tomman
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tommanwell, back to Hackernews again
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tommanthey're now playing NDA Hardball '25, how lovely
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tomman...now I want that game on my Sega Genesis
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nsITobindoesn't matter
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nsITobinMoonchild is UNFIT to do this
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nsITobinSEAMONKEY should be leading this charge
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nsITobinTell me.. do you think in 2021 i could have been able to negotiate this without fucking it up.. hell i couldn't convince anyone on 52 to go UXP .. Moonchild is even WORSE and that doesn't even count the depths he has sunk to since then.
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nsITobinand seeing as he hates SeaMonkey cause seamonkey didn't want him shipping binaries with their branding.. SOUNDS FAMILAR.. i am sure if a backroom deal is made SeaMonkey will not get the same special treatment.
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nsITobinMoonchild has always maintained if it came down to selling out Pale Moon (not counting side hussles like power ranger coins) he would destroy it. He better hold to that as it has been one of his few consistant positions.
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tommaneh, don't overstimate our abilities
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tommanthis is Clownflare we're talking about
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tommanwe're Ukraine, they're Trumputin
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tommanthey can and will nuke us with a single move, unless we get EXTERNAL (read: legal, goverment) help
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tommanthe NDA-as-gag-order move was completely expected from them
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nsITobinI maintain even if Cloudflare came to their senses .. Moonchild will find some way to fuck it up..
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tommantoo bad we are nowhere near the EU :/
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tommanyou're in Trumpistania, and I'm at Soviet Venezuela
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nsITobinif Moonchild was the fucking solution I'd still be there and SeaMonkey would be a Unified XUL Platform application.
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tommanwow, this 3-minute ramen turned out to be stupidly spicy
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nsITobinso would waterfox
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nsITobinand Pale Moon
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tomman...the packet lied
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nsITobinand Borealis
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nsITobinand Interlink
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nsITobinand we would all have add-ons and wikis and infra and all counterbalance our impulses for the best of everyone and beyond..
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nsITobinbut that isn't the way it happened.
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nsITobinand couldn't be ignored
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tomman"Every interaction I've ever had with CloudFlare has left me feeling like I needed a bath. The vertical desperately needs some competition but I don't know how that could happen at this point."
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tommana bath with turpentine at the very least, indeed
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tomman(from the HN thread)
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nsITobinmy issues with cloudflare stem first and foremost from trying to create an active and always up to date error free php system for add-ons while behind cloudflare and moonchilds damnedable filterules
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nsITobinthe censorship
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nsITobincame later
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nsITobinso in no way do or can I ever like, use, or support cloudflare even if they were just the reverse proxy cache they pretended to be to take over most of the internet since most of the internet is just the web now plus a few old and insecure and legacy protocols
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nsITobinevery point i might find a use for them is basically invalidated by the issues they cause
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tommanmy hateboner towards Clownflare is the same as any tech monopoly that gets in my way
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tommanand oh boy, they have been getting in my way (and then some!) in the last 2 years!
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nsITobini am also extremely conserned
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tommanall because "the Internet is under attack and you could be a foe"
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tommanRemember: thanks to Clownflare I was THIS CLOSE of losing my only good credit card
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tomman(because the bank deployed that shit on their site... and that complaint didn't went well)
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nsITobinremember elon and the doge teenagers are techies and "smart" the news stories i been seing lately is priming a VERY dangerous thing.. These smart techies fuck people and people are told that.. can you complete this fear?
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nsITobintomman:
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tommanIn my case it gets combined with the fact of living at an actual communist hellhole
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tommanif my government doesn't kill me, Big Tech will cripple me instead
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tommanyay
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nsITobinso here
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nsITobinnow
4 hours ago