11:49:59 <njsg> maybe if one could write a program to detect whether a given user would *not* pass through cloudflare and serve them content, and redirect those who pass through cloudflare to a honeypot...
11:50:11 <njsg> (please ignore any similarities with the Entscheidungsproblem)
12:23:16 <nsITobin> Everything is currently unreachable until dns propigates back.. assuming it won't be hit again.. someone has them selves a tiny botnet
12:39:19 <frg_Away> wonder what they get out of it. totally senseless
12:39:42 <nsITobin> they got to tell me to kill my self
12:39:49 <nsITobin> so i guess that is something
12:40:55 <frg_Away> yeah senseless
12:45:34 <nsITobin> the subject is very odd they seem ignorant about what a seamonkey is but identified me as an xpcom interface
12:46:24 <nsITobin> or rather roleplaying as an xpcom interface
12:46:26 <nsITobin> direct quote
12:47:21 <nsITobin> have I reached the stage where people are told a selection of things about me and then told attack? not even people I have screamed at anymore?
12:48:37 <nsITobin> cause that is a whole different war than the one I been fighting
12:54:22 <nsITobin> if the subject has no connection to me or the things i been involved with whatsoever and is a random goon set at me that is something new vs me screaming at someone and they get a couple of their BSD friends to kick my ass online.. it is an escilation .. except I ain't done much more than a few seamonkey patches in years..
12:54:51 <nsITobin> so i can't figure out who it is or their goals
12:54:58 <nsITobin> that is just my speculation
12:55:52 <nsITobin> it isn't a mozillian.. I can tell that
12:56:58 <nsITobin> dns should have propigated by now and I can reach stuff how about you frg_Away
12:57:20 <frg_Away> yes logbot is there again
13:00:02 <nsITobin> Good.. I guess I will have to put dns on all the servers make it ROBUST
13:44:26 <nsITobin> frg_Away: well it seems screaming IS the solution.. held off gutting social security for a little while screaming pointing out shit.. demanding justification..
13:48:26 <nsITobin> it may be false hope but I'll take it :P
13:48:56 <nsITobin> anyway seems for now things are operational.. so what was I doing today?
13:49:31 <nsITobin> oh the pkg version patch for m-c top can sort the state of texas..
13:49:44 <nsITobin> amd sort*
13:49:47 <nsITobin> and*
14:07:09 <njsg> I think weather underground broke last night, won't load data, and I suspect some issue deep in minified JS code
14:07:22 <njsg> because it makes one request to www.wunderground.com/undefined
14:07:27 <nsITobin> i hate the weather underground
14:07:36 <nsITobin> and IBM's Weather Channel
14:08:04 <frg_Away> I use https://www.ventusky.com/
14:08:20 <nsITobin> if i want lies I'll get them from a federal agency
14:08:25 <nsITobin> so i stick to NOAA
14:09:16 <nsITobin> this site looks neat
14:09:21 <njsg> Of course very helpful JS does not show any error message - but anyway the request suggests there was no error checking in some crucial step :-P
14:10:20 <njsg> uh. has been a somewhat sunny day so far, but ventusky shows precipitation, I look through the window and, sure, there are some suspicious clouds now
14:28:59 <nsITobin>  sucks this site doesn't have layers
14:29:08 <nsITobin> clouds and radar are often useful together frg_Away
14:29:43 <nsITobin> also is this real conditions or just the predicted weather according to forecast models?
14:42:45 <frg_Away> I think thexy use real time satelite data plus doing forcasts. Got this site from Frank Lion on mozillaZine I think.
14:49:51 <nsITobin> it's a cool site good for a world overview just don't think one could use it for more than broad storm tracking
14:52:21 <nsITobin> also .. unrelated
14:52:23 <nsITobin> YEAH TOAST!
14:53:49 <nsITobin> the science of perfectly burned bread and the spread of animal byproduct upon it.
15:18:33 <njsg> what's this "perfectly burned bread" you speak of?
15:28:38 <nsITobin> njsg: toast, of course
15:32:24 <nsITobin> apple butter is great on toast njsg
15:44:19 <tomman> I LOVE when people send me stackdumps over cellphone chat apps
15:44:22 <tomman> especially when the chatapp splits a hundred-line stackdump in several unreadable messages
15:44:24 <tomman> because people have yet to discover that you can indeed attach text files on chatapps
15:45:00 <nsITobin> files?
15:45:04 <nsITobin> files don't exist
15:45:17 <nsITobin> tomman: are you telling ME you still have local data?
15:45:26 <nsITobin> silly tomman
15:45:27 <tomman> oh, I forgot we're senile dinosaurs :P
15:45:39 <tomman> silly me indeed
15:45:47 <nsITobin> tomman: old and insecure i believe is what they were calling it last decade
16:29:05 <njsg> while I appreciate having five or six cats on your computer, there are local files here too
16:31:41 <njsg> (do we have a bad pun jar?)
16:55:12 <nsITobin> we need to find a way to convert puns into patches then we will be set
16:55:13 <nsITobin> njsg:
16:55:37 <nsITobin> also time travel would be nice
16:55:44 <nsITobin> can time travel run off puns?
17:08:42 <njsg> nsITobin: an Apache-based pun-hosting service?
17:08:59 <nsITobin> pun tracker
17:09:03 <nsITobin> RESOLVED UNFUNNY
17:09:09 <nsITobin> :P
17:10:00 <nsITobin> punzilla
18:00:45 <Sompi> Someone asked earlier about localized function names. The Finnish version of Symbian's spreadsheet program has those
18:00:55 <Sompi> =SUMMA(), =JOS(), =KESKIARVO(), =NELIÖJUURI(), =ITSEISARVO()
18:00:59 <Sompi> =LASKE(), =PYÖRISTÄ(), =MAKS(), =MIN()
18:01:04 <Sompi> =EKSPONENTTI()
18:01:08 <Sompi> =EPÄSUORA()
18:01:27 <Sompi> =NELIÖSUMMA()
18:01:36 <Sompi> =PERMUTAATIO()
18:02:13 <Sompi> that spreadsheet program actually has surprisingly many features and a complete local documentation for everything
18:02:37 <njsg> 1I have to ask: how often are {{kk|set a problem with spreadsheet function names? or it's not an issue because it's really only used for display?
18:03:16 <Sompi> Depending of the file format, it may (and will) be a problem
18:03:41 <Sompi> And also I have no idea what many of those functions do
18:05:38 <njsg> (so, MAX has been localized too, into MAKS?)
18:05:39 <Sompi> Apparently LASKE() is the same as COUNT()
18:05:44 <Sompi> njsg: yes
18:05:52 <Sompi> many of those localizations make no sense
18:05:57 <njsg> epäsuora I suppose doesn't involve launching Areena
18:06:05 <Sompi> why MAKS()? Why not SUURIN()?
18:06:50 <njsg> that might even count as a transliteration and not translation, is "maks" used a lot as a shorter word in accounting or something?
18:08:49 <njsg> Microsoft's EPÄSUORA seems to be "follow reference indicated by content of addressed cell"?
18:09:13 <Sompi> I have no idea what it means
18:09:34 <Sompi> "Palauttaa tekstimerkkijonon määrittämän viittauksen"
18:10:08 <Sompi> So is it the same as SUM() but accepts only one cell as the argument?
18:10:44 <Sompi> What even is the English version?
18:10:58 <njsg> I think it's kind of like C's dereference operator, but I'm not sure yet
18:11:07 <njsg> Sompi: INDIRECT, it seems https://hexcelligent.fi/2015/12/03/epasuora-viittaus-excelissa/
18:11:47 <Sompi> These localized spreadsheet functions are more of a funny curiosity than something that I would actually consider using
18:12:39 <njsg> yeah, now I'm kinda curious about the translations
18:26:59 <tomman> Sompi: aren't function names usually localized on spreadsheets anyway?
18:27:06 <tomman> at least that's how Excel does
18:32:54 <njsg> I do think Microsoft's documentation examples could be a bit better.
18:34:35 <tomman> MICROS~1 documentation quality died with Visual Studio 6
18:34:43 <tomman> it has been a eternal trainwreck since then
18:35:13 <njsg> tomman: now that raises a question: how's the quality of MSTS documentation?
18:36:18 <njsg> things can derail in some conditions in MSTS
18:57:36 <Sompi> What documentation?
18:57:57 <Sompi> Nowadays if you press [F1] on any Microsoft product, it just opens a web browser with an error 404 page
18:58:18 <tomman> Sompi: I think this is true for pretty much every modern piece of software
18:58:20 <tomman> even FOSS
18:58:27 <Sompi> It's been like that since they deprecated and removed the help browser
18:58:31 <tomman> we devs *hate* writing documentation with a passion
19:23:41 <tomman> yay, step into another Clownflare landmine that hung my browser
19:23:43 <tomman> but this time I wasn't even inspecting a widget!
21:47:43 <Nilos> ciao
21:48:55 <nsITobin> sup
21:49:08 <Nilos> spik italian?
21:49:25 <nsITobin> negative
21:49:45 <Nilos> inglish?
21:50:10 <nsITobin> yeah largely.. i mean you wanna try in klingon.. I'm rusty but game lol
21:51:30 <Nilos> I'm new... I still don't know how to use this program to find the various chat lists, could you help me?
21:52:41 <nsITobin> frg_Away: how come we don't have chatzilla help in the helpviewer?
21:53:44 <Nilos> it won't let me in chatzilla
21:53:51 <nsITobin> Nilos: I personally don't use the irc client in seamonkey so I am not much help. However, this should with rare exception apply though it is in english http://chatzilla.hacksrus.com/faq/
21:55:40 <Nilos> do you use mirc? I installed it, but I can't access the servers
21:56:12 <nsITobin> No. I have always used xchat/hexchat but that is a dead project
21:57:24 <Nilos> ok... thank you for your availability
22:23:01 <frg_Away> nsITobin someone needs to write it
22:24:11 <frg_Away> ChatZilla -> Join Channel shoudl show all channels and you can search too.
23:14:11 <njsg> no idea about the current state of mIRC, nor XChat and Hexchat
23:14:28 <nsITobin> well hexchat is dead
23:14:29 <njsg> the website does have some documentation, chatzilla itself also has some with the /HELP command
23:14:33 <nsITobin> xchat long died
23:14:43 <tomman> mIRC is still alive, surprisingly
23:14:50 <tomman> IIRC Hexchat was EOL'd
23:15:14 <njsg> regarding the documentation, there's that thing about bookmark properties that came up in the newsgroup recently, and yes I think the text wasn't updated, I need to check if there's a bug for that, because I think I saw one already
23:15:39 <njsg> and then still see first what's left to finish in the one copy of comm-central I have yet to update
23:16:07 <njsg> and Microsoft Comic Chat won't work with freenode-libera
23:16:21 <njsg> (it also can't do safe channels on IRCnet IIRC)