tomman: is there ice cream yet?

Those "woke" people really seem to infiltrate everything, now even LibreWolf is in their hands

Somehow they always manage to reach the leading positions

And always they are so secretive

does anyone know who thas "ohfp she/her" is?

that*

uuuugh, the Dolphin emu folks switched to AVIF images for their blog entries. WHY.

so webp but with patents

WHY

oh it is av1 based k

still.. why

png is best

a one frame movie != a single image format

ok so what was the logic of backing out a rollup to get a patch in mc only to reland in comm..

and why are thunderbird people jumping the gun on m-c changes before those have happened

nsITobin: don't worry, I've spotted HEIF images being used in the wild too

because once again WHY

singularity of stupidity where the sheer mass of the stupidity will collapse and then explode with all our hopes and dreams.. or so goes the theory

explode showering us with our hopes and dreams*

granted its a stupid theory but there it is

it is*

works well for social climbers because once it starts coming apart at the seems it is someone elses problem

seams*

i can't type today.. perhaps an indication? lol

developercommunity.visualstudio.com…on-with-std::mutex::lock-a/10664660 speaking of madness

"CLOSED WONTFIX NOTABUG UPDATESAREGOOD"

"Yes - bincompat is one-way. Old programs can use new redists, but new programs can’t use old redists. This allows us to add functionality over time - features, fixes, and performance improvements."

the Linux madness, now on a Windows box close to you!

yeah well everything else is shifting and flipping.. and i suspect if several ones act quickly a linux distro could be created with stability and as I was saying the other day an actual idealized windows-level de

"you need the Visual C 2022 runtimes... no, not those, those other, no, not newer enough"

it's like places rejecting $100 bills prior to the colorized 2006 series

because "no, they're too old" despite still being legal tender

that note is legal tender for all debts public or private

if an older bill that is still legal tender will not be accepted then money has no value.. which it doesn't

anyway practically speaking windows has been a dead platform since windows 10 and its free upgrade

tomman: if microsoft hedges its bets on linux virtualization and a chromium browser engine.. what need is there of Windows except as a brand name..

that people have been told for 40 years they have to have

that concept of Windows in your mind as a sort of entity an established thing of defined attributes and characturistics and ways of doing things.. that's all just legacy and on the block

and it is indeed the Mozilla model. Micrsoft IS Mozilla at scale now.. It is why I wish Mozilla was only doing this to take out a much bigger threat.. but I know that almost certainly hasn't been even the tiniest fraction of it and it makes me sad.

so you mean MICROS~1 has become a overweight San Francisco startup? :D

yes

at scale

someone should remind Redmond that they're in Washington, not California :P

it was all over when Microsoft chose Wordpress instead of their own CMS.

That's how it starts

What did Mozilla first do.. they added google ipc

and the codebase has been a 15 year trainwreak ever sense.. it is a small wonder ANY of us can do ANYTHING with any of it

google ipc and webidl were the first steps in removing Mozilla tech from the playing field and it has worked brilliantly despite my best efforts.

this is anti-widows development btw

this vs thread

it goes against EVERYTHING Microsoft had in decades past done regarding visual studio and the hordes of DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS

hmmm, the benchmarks for the latest AMD GPUs are on

and... well, the answer is "don't buy yet"

AMD can't innovate they purged too many minds.. all they can do is crappily copy intel without the last decade's worth of research development and manufacturing

half-baked drivers, as usual. But then, if you buy ANY new piece of hardware close to launch date, you deserve what you get

all AMD products are suffering post AM5 and since they ran out of ATI technology to endlessly push

gfx suck too

wait 6 months at least, let drivers mature and prices normalize

eh, I'm happy with my lowly Zen 2 APU

that isn't am5

the era of ATi driver hell is LONG gone - now you just get half baked (but stable) drivers at launch date

yep, but still...

I don't regret having jumped ship

Intel? VINTAGE ONLY.

well i prefered it when drivers were model or at least series specific.. amd unified driver has made it so i can't run multiple amd cards outside its range.. because the devices are semi-identical according to driver

i guess comm people are done for now screwing with build configuration.. time to see what all there is..

frg_Away: Good morning.

So obviously with these new patches I have to fix one of the mass conversions because it altered confvars.. so I am going to have to exclude that bit during this conflict.. I hope i don't screw it up.

0:01.50 File "C:/seamonkey/src/comm/suite/moz.configure", line 91, in <module>

0:01.50 imply_option("MOZ_APP_VERSION", seamonkey_version.version)

0:01.50 File "C:\seamonkey\src\python\mozbuild\mozbuild\configure\__init__.py", line 1243, in imply_option_impl

0:01.50 raise ConfigureError(

0:01.50 mozbuild.configure.ConfigureError: Cannot infer what implies 'MOZ_APP_VERSION'. Please add a `reason` to the `imply_option` call.

first thing I think I will do is eliminate SEAMONKEY_VERSION as THUNDERBIRD_VERSION is long gone

... guess i should find the bug for that..

so i can reference it

that will better match current prevailing config

Let's all assume I have already ranted about the surrounding conditions contibuting to my task before me and let's do a thing!

nsITobin Hi. Verson was used for Lighting add-on. Now integrated.

nothing I haven't done oh.. about four times already :P

and i expect to do it once more on 253 one day

well now there are other issues

nsITobin not sure bug 1507948 can be used. TB veesion is gone but ours is totally different and probably needs to be kept.

what needs to be kept?

mozilla just very recently began ripping autoconf out from under us.. confvars is basically done.. and the remaining rbanding vars left in I am sure is an error as well..

What is in needs to be kept and moved to python because SeaMonkey specific. Only MOZ_UPDATER and _PROFILE_MIGRATOR are probably elsewhere already.

sorry i was talking about central not 253

for 253 *_VERSION hasn't been requred for years

not since calendar left AMO

because why would you ever need multiple targetApplications for something that is built and bundled specifically for the app per build

just they didn't seem to bother until 65

it was only ever for install.rdf

and why was calendar de-extensionized? cause no more binary xpcom components for extensions.. and calendar uses em

nsITobin no was only done after 60. Binary components were already done for in 2.49 and compiled in when the option was set. xpi won't work if the underlying program was compiled without calender support.

But version is grabbed from te version.txt file in this case. Forgot: xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.5…arch?string=seamonkey_version&find=

this is gone in central.

SEAMONKEY_VERSION only exists in suite/ on central

but the build configuration is basically screwed now

and the underlying stuff has changed a bit as well

I am disorented again

within moz.configure

Thr installers need ot for the file at lest so moz_app:_Version and others need to be set.

would it be at all possible to get thunderbird contributors to stop updating SeaMonkey's build system?

on central

# version.txt content from the project directory if there is one, otherwise

# the firefox version.

it is no longer possible to alter the MOZ_APP_VERSION outside version.txt without a preexisting condition being set

it will automatically pick up version.txt and version display

it is no longer something the project.. does

or app

thunderbird uses firefox versioning

which is mozilla milstone versioning

okay.. here is my situation as I see it.. I have before me comm and mozilla central.. a recent botched thunderbird patch making changes the build system was never going to accept and obviously without giving it even a ./mach configure to test.. I either need direct instruction on what work to complete or just set loose and make it do SOMETHING so that everything isn't blind applied left untestable.

would just make it build using mozilla versioning and then we can see what goes later.

yeah well i have to undo what they did and work through EACH thing and handle it properly then I was gonna rewrite suite/moz.configure to be maintainable.. what they did was a blind port of everything they previously missed and they did it.. wrong.. so its worse now and all at once instead of working through it.

the nature of moz.configure is its all strangely async so consistant order of what will provoke an error first changes

so i have to move each item out of confvars one at a time and test via ./mach configure and checking values in config.status foreach

I just about had it the other day but I trashed it because I had no idea what they were doing if it would be a different patch or just the same reapplied after m-c was patched

i was up to about five bugs before their patch landed then was reverted and landed again

I am gonna have to make a decision.

With lossless compression PNG almost always ends up in a smaller file size than AVIF. With lossy compression it seems to be about 50/50, sometimes AVIF is smaller and sometimes JPEG

AVIF just means more compatibility problems and security vulnerabilities

i mean god forbid moz.configure was as nice as this dpaste.org/msoNq

oh something to look forward to

config.status looks correct

i'm getting "502 Bad Gateway" on bmo

confirmed

502

ffs

did bugzilla fall over?

my conspriacy senses are tingling.. I am fighting them tho.. too much to do

it's back

dunno why I am so conserned .. never needed bugzilla before to figure anything out.. just additional metadata i guess

nsITobin happens pretty often lately. hg is affected also. comes with the cloud

well that's all the reason I need to shut down bugzilla and hg and just switch to github

:P

i mean it's soooo old and unreliable

if it can't be stable on a poorly managed overengineered distributed network.. what use is it?

but seriously.. i wonder why isn't azure supposed to be good?

Because no 'cloud' provider can be.

They're all total garbage. Seems inherent in the industry.

no shit.. i bet they are being targeted because of that USAID bs

there is a comma in there

no comma shit

allow me to rephrase: no, i bet they are being targeted because of that USAID funding bs

anyway, gonna build this see what happens

on top of the adclick contraversy

nsITobin I would leave the tin hat at the door stop. This happend for weeks now.

i'll set it over there on the soapbox for now :)

using rust 1.82 as it seems to be behaving memory wise

0:33.13 C:/seamonkey/src/toolkit/xre/nsAppRunner.cpp(4162,38): error: expected ')'

0:33.13 4162 | "Maybe try to reinstall " MOZ_APP_DISPLAYNAME "?\n",

0:33.13 | ^

i suspect when empty it is fine.. this is on the mozilla side

either that or MOZ_APP_DISPLAYNAME doesn't work in moz.configure yet.. has to be set by branding/configure.sh

switch it to that see if it helps