yeah

Great, so now we have a browser duopoly, both of those browsers are officially spyware and for some unfathomable reason the majority of web developers insist on writing web pages in such way that they only work on those two browsers

it is ONLY official now

because they are an adclick ai company

Actually we don't have duopoly but the majority of web developers refuse to write webpages that work on other browsers so actually we have a duopoly

but the telemetry was added to be sold.. that was always obvious

But why the web developers are like that?

It's their fault, the website industry's fault

Sompi: i wish i wasn't so far behind the environment is primed for modern firefox fork and all it has to do is remove all telemetry..

and maybe like it look better

I have argued with many professional web developers and it just feels that their head is made of solid stone

web developers are NOT webmasters

They don't understand what they are doing

webmaster is something you must attain.. web developer is just a job title

Actually they seem to be so bad at their work that in most industries they would be fired

But somehow it is ok and the new normal in the website industry

no this started over a decade ago

I know

its been creeping for a LONG LONG time

And I have warned about it many times

And somehow those who are professional web developers haven't seen it coming

And they still don't

How is it even possible

It's the web developers who are forcing everyone into using Chrome and Firefox

Sompi: i still blame the iphone and obama..

the mass consumer was NOT ready for devices like this yet

they did not have the proper education

You don't need a "proper education" to understand the basics

because if they had.. they wouldn't have paid for perpetually 3 year old iphone tech at 3 times the cost

well back when the iphone was always old tech

You don't need education to understand the cause-and-effect relationships between software components

Sompi: we are freaks we understand these basics intuitively to some level.. depending on what it is.. .. tech is still magic to most people

Normies used to understood that

magic to solve all their problems with no effort

Almost every online multiplayer game had servers and clients and everyone could host their own game

but it set a mentality

And they had command lines and irc-like commands

that sold very very well

And normies could use those perfectly well

and spread to apple computers.. and got into googles hands and microsoft botched their attempt

And they understood the concepts of server and client

And protocols and everything

Then something happened and suddenly a "normie" means an incredibly stupid person who would have been considered retarded 20 years ago

well seamonkey needs a strategic media effort.. to capitalize on these Mozilla blunders get more help and be awesome.. least I think so

A completely irresponsible idiot who don't understand anything and doesn't care about the consequences of their own actions

That's what the word "normie" means now

that has been my definition since 2009

Back then it used to mean just a non-autistic person

20 years ago or so

but I'm the irredeemable monster so do cross-check other sources..

Then something changed and now the median person is so incredibly stupid that it is literally destroying the human society as we know it

Even web developers, who SHOULD have an IQ of far above average, are suddenly so fucking stupid that they don't even understand the basics of their own profession

i watched people around me people at least halfway decent with desktop computers.. loose all their skills

Same

when they got smartphones

I don't believe that the smartphones could have caused it

There may be a chronological correlation but probably no causalation

it was the major catelyst

itunes was another

primed before hand

I believe that some other environmental factor changed

of course really all this came out of microsoft research originally

microsoft knew we weren't ready

Sompi: hopium..

perhaps

the rise of hopium

and undefined goals

what do you think Sompi

my position could use testing its been held for long and may have flaws

Undefined goals are just a symptom of people becoming dumbed down

Every quartal we get some new stupid hype of something that cannot work, or at least cannot make things any better

nsITobin: Every computer hobbyists, who knows something about programming and making websites, should have a grasp of what web technologies are supported in the web browsers of different eras and different levels of complexity

I agree

as such a person

We all know that if the page is only HTML, it most probably works on every browser from some ancient 16-bit Netscape to modern Links, Lynx or Dillo

except html5 and es6+ sucks so i really don't want to learn/use it if i can avoid it.. because WE already have command .. all of us do of every major technology that was meant to BE the future standard ..

If it has JavaScript, it makes things more difficult but it still most probably works on most browsers if the code doesn't have the newest chromeisms. Everyone understands what those chromeisms are and they are also relatively well documented

So how is it possible that the majority of actual professional web developers don't have any grasp of these things?

because professional web developers are not webmasters they were not trained nor encuraged to learn .. anything.. only follow trends and memorize and reiterate things

Related, I wrote this: techrights.org/n/2025/02/25/Sami_Ti…ed_to_Computer_Science_Educat.shtml

But it doesn't give any answers, only more questions

then trained on specific frameworks

or just wordpress

nsITobin: Yes, but how is it possible that they don't know anything else than what they are trained?

They are IT professionals, so they should have at least some hobbyist background

They should at least be interested in these things

is it a passion or a job and is any outward showing of passion consistant across time or does it shift and turn against things on a whim

And if they are interested, they get to know

That writing is mostly about gen z programmers, but I'm talking about slightly older people now. People who normally used to have a hobbyist background before studying computer tech

there is also the fact that we have had a long term trend of abstracted ever complexifing glueing and reabstracted after a refactor .. people can't keep up and we have generations of people with fundamental disagreements on how to proceed that has lead to political alignments that has resulted in idological purgings in between the normal corperate greed layoffs and robbing peter web tech to pay paul AI startup

Those gen z people are a mess

nsITobin: Yes, but that shouldn't affect that much to hobbyists. You can still write webpages in pure HTML and it is still the easiest way to do it

and millennials are better? we're either burnouts, systamatically sabotaged, and incrasingly spastic and selfish following the early 90s

But it seems that suddenly almost no-one has an interest to anything and people have forgotten all stuff that they once knew

YES EXACTLY i been saying that since what 2017 on a regular basis

One day I started reading forum posts from an old Finnish programming forum, from 2005

but Sompi it evolved in mozilla to where discussion of specific tech no matter the location or tech level is offtopic or "too advanced"

People of my age (who were ~12 years old at the time) already knew more stuff than university graduates know today

why is the old and insecure technology too advanced for contributors for modern mozilla.. i think someone fucked up what they said.. or fucked up and admitted something

Back then 16 year olds were already very skilled, they had been self-studying stuff for several years

Now people of that age don't even know where the power button is, and they think that they are going to learn all that from vocational school

there were a lot of bright millinial minds of children of and those that grew into the 90s.. a lot of it went out one by one locally by the mid 2000s.. online .. later but late 2000s

when the finaical crash basically stole the bulk of my generation's future

in the US

But computers are not an expensive hobby

they are now

they WEREN'T in the 2000s

You don't need a new and expensive computer to write code

everything became cheap as hell

Quite the contrary, actually

in the US prices dropped a lot in the 2000s

on computers

I have never owned a new computer

well i always built mine so it was cheap

vs a dell or a gateway

in 2007 i could build you a decent mid-range system with a monitor for 700 dollars comprable system from an oem would be few grand

and i did build and sold some

to people

The specs of a new average computer build are still pretty much the same

The same amount of memory, the same amount of storage

The same amount of CPU cores...

The I/O is worse, it's mostly just USB connectors now

And everything is locked down

"Trusted computing" where the thing that is not trusted is the user

You cannot even boot anything other than M$ Windows without changing some settings in the SETUP program that is most probably buggy has hell, and when your CMOS battery becomes empty you cannot boot your "alternative" operating system at all until you buy a new battery because it always resets to the default settings

of course in terms of generations.. I identify as Generation Y.. cause MOST of the latter half of the millinial generation knows it is a dangerous question.. so can't be bothered.. you are on the rarer side

efi is always bugged

go back to bios.. we don't need exobytes of storage .. unless windows gets any larger

or chrome

BIOS supports 64-bit LBA, but modern hard drives are still physically limited to 48 bits

Sompi: we are the last geenration allows to spash in storm puddles or walk around unattended all over town or do any of the shit kids had done for decades past..

consider that as well

yes

Generation Y is "defined as people born from 1981 to 1996" so that's a wide range

or have trick or treat when it is dark and trust most of our neighbor weren't gonna try and snatch a kid or feed us razor blades

Being a teenager in the 90s must have been completely different than it was during the late 2000s and early 2010s when the world was already being flipped upside down

3G networks were deployed here in 2008 and in that timeframe everything suddenly started becoming a lot worse

it has .. complete inversion..

I am telling you all it's the god damned cell phones.. they don't CAUSE cancer they ARE the cancer.

I have always had my suspicions that the 3G, 4G and 5G radiation itself changes the way how people think, but of course I still don't have any conclusive evidence of anything. But the correlation is clearly there.

Of course the predatory social media became a thing at the same timeframe, which makes things even more diffcult

on a corperate basis it is far more profitable to tell your customer base what they want then provide it than it is to educate your customer base on why they need your shit.. on a political basis it is great for power grabs.. together we have .. well today.

well social media is all about control and data collection which means more control

I have always advocated for wired connections, to exclude at least one cause of this ongoing global degradation of intellect

At least one possible cause, I meant to write

Sompi: let's start a webring

i wanted to start a webring in 2011

start a webring and a new internet directory

bypass search engines and use our existing technology to start spreading the world wide web again.. been saying that for at LEAST 3 years in here lol

In Finland we cannot even buy a wired internet connection anymore. Everything uses mobile network now, and the connections are increasingly unreliable and the latencies are terrible

Sompi: that.. is conserningly predictable.. here it is almost impossible to get a real legit landline

We don't have landlines anymore, they were demolished "because they are yesterdays technology" or something. I still don't get it how a copper wire can become obsolete, after all all electronics are still based on them.

but they will run a DSL line

but won't offer legit telephone service

on the line

even if the equiptment is in place and next door still has service

nsITobin: The Finnish landline network was originally built by local cooperatives and then bought by a state-owned company Sonera. Our corrupt politicians then gave Sonera to a Swedish company Telia

Moonchild's ISP

i think

Then Telia stopped maintaining it because they only wanted profits

And in the end they scrapped it to get at least some money from the copper

And didn't build anything to replace it with

sounds like a spinco job like we had here with charter and the others

AT&T is in FCC violation since 2011 after they failed to buy tmobile.. and won't let a non-att phone roam on the network won't even let it connect for basic 911 service which is an FCC requirement..

Sonera also bought air from Germany with billions before it was given practically for free to Telia

(UMTS licenses)

i filed a complaint with the FCC .. at the time

guess what happened

They spent 4,3 billion euros of tax money for those UMTS licenses that were worthless

Someone made a fortune

what i want to know is why everything has to be overwritten.. why can't it be split off as a new thing and stand on its own .. because of course most stuff these days CAN'T

Sompi: teach me C

:P

Download Open Watcom 1.9 and install it to a DOS machine

That way you don't learn only the programming language, but also direct hardware access

i don't have a dos machine

You can use a virtual machine as a temporary substitute

how does direct hardware access help me?

It gives a grasp of how the computer actually works

but not my current computer

The all have the same principles

i don't think I can learn that because it will for the rest of my life piss me off that I can't have direct hardware access on any computer i'd normally be using.

unless its in kernel code

For most computing stuff you don't need direct hardware access, but some things are only possible on DOS-like environment

But writing DOS code is very educational, you automatically learn many optimization tricks

Also the learning environment is very unforgiving, without modern debuggers and such.

i don't know how to really use a debugger anyway

I recommend writing the code in such way that it compiles to both Linux and DOS, that way you can use Valgrind to find bugs.

and what am I writing.. for what purpose?

I don't know if Valgrind counts as a debugger, but it at least shows you memory errors, which you get a lot when beginning to learn C.

To learn C and low-level programming, of course!

This is a good tutorial: sininenankka.dy.fi/~sami/mirror/vga_all/vga

The original is lost from the internets but I mirrored it

The Borland code should be compatible with Open Watcom

nsITobin: And for DOS, use FreeDOS. ST-DOS is not currently compatible with the newest versions of Watcom's DOS extender, so it doesn't work.

I'll look into it but for dos it won't be soon.. maybe later this year

bo1953: if you read the logbot, are you sure the pane is not collapsed or hidden? try hitting f9. Re: Yahoo/AOL/Verizon do you get an authentication error or some other message? I think I've got that set up with an "app password" here.

nsITobin: EFI to me has looked like a way to go back a decade or so. "PC BIOS" was finally having wrinkles mostly ironed out, it pretty much looked like a fertile opportunity for implementation details and incompatibilities. Which isn't a criticism of UEFI per se, just of the idea the move would improve things magically.

Sompi: nsITobin: come to think of it, has static analysis been used in books/tutorials as a tool to learn C programming? sounds like an interesting idea, although I guess it probably fires back unless the tool has very good messages and a low FP rate.

njsg: sininenankka.dy.fi/~sami/uefi_fact_sheet.php

UEFI was designed to lock other operating systems out. Every struct in it comes from Windows, even in the ARM version every program binary has to have that MS-DOS program stub in its header because of the file format

The whole thing is so incredibly stupid design

I do recall something about it having Portable Executable formats in it

That "PE format" means that it must start with the DOS EXE program

So UEFI is actually married to MS-DOS in that way, although it cannot boot MS-DOS because UEFI is so limited in everything it does

UEFI lacks runtime services and is very picky about the structure in the beginning of the disk (partition table) and is unable to boot if it doesn't find a supported partitioning table there

Stupid design

It has completely different design principles than IBM PC BIOS, which has been very carefully designed so that it does not restrict what can be done with the computer

And Microsoft spreads weird disinformation about BIOS to promote UEFI. They claim that BIOS has all sorts of arbitrary limitations that aren't really there. I don't know how they can even do that without being in trouble

abishekvashok/cmatrix #199 the sky is falling!

JWZ sent a newfangled "pull request" to MICROS~1 Giggityhub!

I do think I've noticed that issue with cmatrix...

I didn't even bother with it, though, it was not like I wanted the terminal to be running cmatrix, it has its own screensaving method

Well, found a perfectly reproducible hang involving our favorite foe, Clownflare

and this one seems to impact us

open any protected site, wait for the captcha to (non) render

(well, Turnstile)

the old trick was to force it to render with devtools' inspector

but this time when I point the inspector at the empty hole with Turnstile, the browser... hangs, burning a single core with a deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep callstack within libxul.so

reproducible even on the latest nightly I've installed 2 days ago: 20250224210111

I still do not understand why Turnsickle doesn't render by default, only when threatened by devtools

but now it has turned into a outright mousetrap

likely got into some dom vs style vs js reevail loop

like normally happens when a Mozilla application hangs and eats one core on the web

and never recovers

given libxul is nearly everything

in a shambling inhuman beast of a lib

last time I triggered the hang and attached gdb to the thing, the stackdump was >255 levels deep

of course without symbols :/

but yeah, smells like some recursivity gone wild

my bet would be some unsupported or unhandled CSS property, say, a transition

s@bet@guess@

yeah style seems always involved when this behavior crops up more times than not .. least as far as my experience is conserned

you were looking at some CSS properties that were somehow needed for the challenge, right?

what I'm thinking is that this looks too much like the breakage I got because of snippets in userContent.css to disable transitions. there are at least two sites that broke with that

they do include css feature testing as part of determining if you are acceptable or not

but they keep changing it

one was Google captcha in a .pt site, another was the MICROS~1 login

you do know why modern browsers even see the screen right instead of being transparently dealt with? because one day CF will have preroll ads before you view a website unless you pay to not have them.. its my first real prediction for this new era

ads will become the standard to let you in on the CF scale

if you block ads or don't support the new ad features you get locked out

simple as that

by 2030

might as well send the cops to my house, because I have a policy on My Networks: NO ADS, EVER.

ironically what led me to block ads were... electoral ads from my very own country

(Well, that and Flash abuse)

either Microsoft pulled the plug on OWA or they are doing some harmful UA sniffing

I think I loaded it less than a week ago

so it's a recent change

( outlook.office.com/owa )

what MICROS~1 is about to kill next week is Skype

eh, OWA has been broken for me long ago

tomman: are you using an organization account? were you using a UA override?

nah, just a ordinary Hotmail account

they for a time redirected me to the XP-era OWA

but recently they decomissioned that one again, it seems

it had been working for me until ~1w ago with the UA override, but I'm logged in to an organization account

I have bigger problems with that Outlook account anyway: once a month, MICROS~1 blocks me from accessing due to my CGNAT

"429 Too many attempts"

which also conveniently breaks OAuth2 on Mail&News

how much does it break oauth2? it forces a login? or you mean the login flow doesn't work?

the workaround I got for that was to tether my computer to 4G and try logging in there, that works and leaves me alone for the next four weeks or so

I mean, I'm wondering if there's at least the hope that if you're logged in, you remain logged in

Well, it prompts me to logon again

I supply my credentials, and I get cockblocked with "429 Too Many Requests"

seems to be a popular error at their end, and it started happening in late 2024

in my case it's most likely due to my horrible CGNAT

and the escape route is always the same: connect from another IP

you mean it's more popular than General Protection Failure?

kids these day don't know General P.F.

neither do I, apparently, for it's fault, not failure

OTOH I do recognize this theme, wasn't it one of the bundled ones with some version of Frontpage?: winduzhelp.tripod.com/general_protection_fault1.htm

In any case, plenty of 429 reports out there since late 2024, and MS support is useless as usual

they ask you to clear your cookies and other non-workarounds

but apparently it's mostly due to CGNAT hell

that's funny, because in this kind of issues, the trend is probably to try to sniff cookies, so clearing cookies might even be counterproductive

njsg: that looks more like Frontpage 2000 at least

I recognize that theme too, and it was available with Office 2000 or 2002

I distinctly remember that squares drawing, whether it was 2000 or not or Frontpage or not, I ain't so sure, but it doesn't so much ring a bell, it screams a bell

FP2000 was also the first version to adopt Office's UI widgets and libraries

I've only seen 2000 in Office, besides Express (included in the IE bundle) I think I might have played with 98 in some computer somewhere, similar to the IE FP Express, but not "Express"

one wonders how did Works manage to get named that and not Word Express

FP98 was still a separate product to the rest of Office, and still used the same VTI-era UI libs

(or Office Express, actually didn't it have things other than the WYSIWYG text editor?)

Works was a completely separate group inside Microsoft, and let's say... Microsoft groups do not have friends :D

yeah, FP98 wasn't "integrated", not sure if it was packaged together with Office or not

tomman: maybe that's why they made Hearts?

I did used a lot of Frontpage Express 25 years ago :D

yup, FrontPage was not integrated with Office (nor sold as part of it) until FP2000

but only with Premium and Developer editions

it seems 2003 was also decoupled from the main suite offerings, by only being sold as a independent product

(pirates didn't cared anyway and threw everything into the same CD-R :P)

ah, I was unsure about the 98 one (Although yes, 98 != 97), given how Office 97 had several applications, some of which perhaps less seen as part of the core. I'm thinking of Schedule

I guess that one (wait, was it "Schedule+"?) eventually got integrated in Outlook?

that one did came with Office 95, if I recall

97 too

97 introduced Outlook, but I have vague memories of shipping with a cut-down version of Schedule for migration purposes or whatever

that was it then, I know it had something by the name of Schedule(+?)

Office 2000 did bring a breakthrough feature that could shadow a lot of the competition

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lolWikipedia

*sigh* anotehr AfD? I'm not sure I'm in the mood

hmm, it seems it lurked until Office 2003

last one involved the disgruntled proponent accusing everyone who participated of sockpuppetry

but haven't seen it there

njsg: so anyone want to talk about the clearly staged and Pale Moon-esque attack of a global leader of an invaded country by one of US's major enemies for the last 70 years?

Clownflare Siege, Day 31: we now know we ARE under attack too :P

"don't even DARE poking at our Turnstile, or we WILL crash your browser"

tomman: yeah .. but never forget its the same bullshit I been dabbiling with for a decade.. its old and so obvious.. no one should have any excuse not seeing through it..

devtools causing a site to crash the browser intentionally

we've seen that before

also office 2000 was outstanding

not that office 97 was bad it was just.. barely more than office 95

but 2000 felt then-modern.. professional.. productive.. and useful.. write your letter or tabulate your figures and fuck off.. UNLESS you want help ;)

for me 97 was peak Office

2000 brought a bit more of polish, yes

but also moar "web stuff" (oriented around IE, of course), and well, Clippy finally floated over the desktop without a window frame

well late 90s .. win2k era design and aesthetic really was the peak they could do without adding skins.. Whistler Watercolor tho.. mm good shit

2002 was more of the same, this time with flaaaat toolbars and moar webjunk

and 2003 was not as great as 97, but it was the final Office release with a sane UI

tomman: office xp used whistler styling cause office paints its own widgets

Office has been painting their own widgets since 95 at least

the luna-ized 2k3 style was pushing it for me in terms of acceptablity REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY BLUE GRADIENTS THEY SHOVED IN MY FACE

heh

it did hooked up into uxtheme.dll for 2003

only to check which varient to use

no office 2003 widget was styled by windows

but then... if you deviated from the 3 basic XP Luna themes or Windows Classic, you got the the hideous baby blue by default

only uses of standard win32 widgets

tomman: check NT 3x and newer office

office 97 renders as windows 95 office 97

on NT3.x, Office 97 renders 95-esque window buttons on the menubar indeed

it's weird... and glorious :D

well ie5 for unix which ports a significant portion of the windows shell and api with it..

tomman: yes exactly where do you think I learned about it

and the Office for Mac versions initially were the same deal

ie is evil

...but worse

ie is ALWAYS evil

yeah, but we're in 2025

the new Satan is Google Chrome

see 90s summerized here thereisonlyxul.org

tomman: no it isn't

if you believe that you've already lost

for me it is

it's still Microsoft

IE is horrible and glad it's still dead, but Chrome is the new enemy we must fight

google is on the tail end of its absolute domination of everything

...and sadly it now got a level of power and reach that MS would wet the pants for it (hence partially why Edge exists)

and the industry is tired of google as well.. Microsoft is poised to become undesputed leader of the web

Chrome is the war I fight against tech every day, from wake up to sleep time

just as was originally intended

Microsoft is old and and passé

microsoft today is not the same microsoft we knew anymore than Mozilla is or any other company

once the current crop retires, there will be no kids interested into working for "ancient MICROS~1 that's for oold people ew"

it isn't gates and balmer

Gates is now divorced (and lost the private jets), and Balmer is too busy balling with the Clippers :D

its people who believe wordpress is better than aspx when working at microsoft.. that chromium is the way and not edgehtml or trident

these are people who do NOT believe in their own technology legacy or history

but DO love the historical power and influence

which is ALL that matters

they will take over and it will be via chromium

because google is NOT gonna be the leader for much longer

no, the new leader will be Skynet

hence why I've permabanned AI at my premises :)

AND tomman here is the REAL indicator.. Google is NOT dictating service website UX anymore they are following Microsoft trends.. i have seen more design chanegs to hide full listings and full menus behind multiple clickgates .. Windows 11 started this crap in ernist

Microsoft Design is the influence right now on the web NOT Google.

same crap to me

well yeah that's how monocultures work

Google started MY current personal war against web and tech

but its now microsoft branded...

just after having won against Microsoft

and this after Mozilla has signed their final death warrent with this telemetry for their ai and adclick business decision

we never won against microsoft tho my friend.. the doj rigged the game.. but who could predict google in 2002ish

and the rise of the iphone later on

in my view after everything seems the doj snatched defeat for us all out of the jaws of victory because Microsoft would have brought ALL THIS in its original form to the world 20 years before hand everyone would look at it.. say its fuckin stupid and microsoft would have been humbled for good instead of merely shacked until Google and Apple set precident for everything Microsoft had planned in the first place

and NOW no mozilla to stand against them

shackled*

who is gonna stand for all of us tho .. I think we need to stand for ourselves but do it as together as possible.. There is very few other options left open.

office 2000 was so outstanding that MS somehow was forced to release a compatibility patch for Office Open XML

but investing all ones hopes and dreams in one project, one initiative, one emporer god king that shit needs to stop and fast..

I am gonna leave the soap box over there for anyone to use.. as fun as it is standing on it.. I am wasting time by doing so :P

soap box - laundry time, uh? :-P

Yeah about dirty laundry let's air some more about these big corperations.. :P

njsg: what should I call my PHP 7.4 fork?

sphpoon

i don't think I can have php be apart of the name..

oh? well then

sfpoon? spoon? I'm not really good at naming

Modified products derived from PHP

You can distribute your own software product which has been derived from PHP, in source or binary form, provided that:

relevant copyright information and license(s) from the PHP codebase are distributed in human-readable form with every copy, as described above.

you don't use the name "PHP" without permission, either to promote your own product or within your product's name (see clauses #3 and #4 in the PHP license version 3.01).

while sphpoon is awesome it may be too close to that .. plus Tobin Factor to not allow me to use it

was thinking bhp or qhp basic hypertext preprocessor or quirky hypertext preprocessor or just fall back on xhp eXtensibile Hypertext Preprocessor

exypre

phobia

people are LITERALLY cared of quirky coersively typed language

so call it phobia

"They develop when a person has an exaggerated or unrealistic sense of danger about a situation or object"

that'd be bad for searching for it

oh and hack was any better LOL

let me search for hack

North Korea Responsible for $1.5 Billion Bybit Hack

long scale or short scale?

no idea

besides search terms are being reflected by AI algros not older search algros.. so results are bs anyway..

hack language is better

actually the results for phobia KINDA help make my point

njsg: checked out the tc39 lately?

anyway got stuff to do.. be back later on