15:05:21 <nsITobin> 19°F
15:05:21 <nsITobin> -7°C
15:05:31 <nsITobin> Just not used to that crap anymore :P
15:07:52 <nsITobin> of course by this time next week it will be 80 for the high
15:08:07 <nsITobin> not maybe 40
15:11:49 <nsITobin> given how I used to shrug off waiting 20 minutes in 20 degree weather F to go get something trivial from the store .. I am starting to believe dealing with cold.. is a skill.. and that seems to help explain why the southern US just can't deal with winter weather even if they have the stuff.. It is a skill born from experience.
15:14:08 <frg_Away> well here spring is announced for the weekend. From -5 to about +18°C
15:14:44 <nsITobin> first step of dealing with cold in texas for me? I start by wearing my indiana sweatshirt.. to let the cold know it is a tad off course and where it REALLY needs to be ;)
15:16:06 <nsITobin> so.. uhh hmm.. 20s to mid 60s.. ish
15:19:09 <nsITobin> frg_Away: if it is 39.1 degrees C with high humidity.. there is a slight chance for borg
15:19:22 <tomman> it's rainy here
15:19:27 <tomman> ...right on laundry day
15:19:38 <frg_Away> On the hardware front needed new pc speakers got Creative T100 and now ask myself what idiot designs speakers which don't turn on when power is turned off/on. Yes I sure will power them on seprately every time I turn on my pc... Not a $20 bargain bin item so back they go.
15:19:47 <tomman> because OF COURSE it has to rain when I decide it's the moment to turn on the washing machine
15:20:31 <nsITobin> tomman: I assume you don't air dry as a lifestyle choice
15:20:59 <tomman> we're close to the Equator, AND our electricity is a joke anyway
15:21:07 <tomman> so yes, it's "dry outside" or "go naked"
15:21:19 <tomman> ...and I'm afraid "go naked" is still illegal here
15:22:15 <nsITobin> not until the emperor accepts his new suit
15:22:59 <nsITobin> me I am happy with a suite my self...
15:24:39 <tomman> in other less silly news, Day 20 of the Clownflare Siege report: unpredictable behavior all around!
15:25:02 <tomman> we're back to "infinite Turnstile loop", but no sight of BigInt errors this time... just browser hangs instead
15:25:12 <tomman> however, on some sites stuff is even more inconsistent
15:25:27 <tomman> for example, Science Magazine - sometimes you get a Clownflare challenge
15:25:28 <nsITobin> can we provoke CF to get even more draconian?
15:25:37 <tomman> but if you navigate away to another URL... the site loads fine!
15:25:37 <nsITobin> more errors
15:25:41 <nsITobin> more disruptions
15:25:50 <tomman> and if you go back to the URL that provoked the initial challenge... it also loads fine
15:26:07 <tomman> looks like someone is trying to fight Dr. Lowe's workarounds :/
15:26:23 <nsITobin> as in the adblock filter list?
15:26:29 <nsITobin> him?
15:26:44 <tomman> I'm not sure, but he specifically mentioned he had to get some exemptions made on the Clownflare filtering for many users
15:27:04 <tomman> so he got some influence there, at least for science.com
15:27:09 <nsITobin> Well there was a Lowe filter list for the adblock family.. likely same person
15:27:11 <tomman> https://www.science.org/blogs/pipeline
15:27:33 <nsITobin> maybe not
15:27:35 <tomman> "Things I Won't Work With" is a book that he should sit down and write eventually, I would buy it :D
15:27:58 <nsITobin> I have a such a list
15:28:01 <frg_Away> from what I see a flood of csp reports are send. kepp the challenge on and grab a beer. You probably make a webmaster happy.
15:28:07 <tomman> Oh, in related "browser discrimination" news, my very own hosting provider (whose own customer support portal is CLownflared and Recaptcha hell'd!) tried to pull some of the same crap
15:28:10 <nsITobin> would you ... oh god damn it.. BUY MY BOOK
15:28:31 <tomman> not Clownflare (although they do offer it as a one-click option!), but Inmunity360 or something like that
15:28:33 <nsITobin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDTwO0TlwOU
15:28:40 <nsITobin> tomman:
15:28:41 <tomman> I got complaints from a user that he got captchas
15:28:56 <tomman> and yesterday, I was getting the whole "wait while we check your browser" Stasi crap
15:29:14 <tomman> I wrote an angry but polite compliant to my hosting provider, while looking for other alternatives to move my junk out
15:29:16 <nsITobin> call it what it is.. SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS
15:29:28 <tomman> they replied, claiming that... nope, "CAPTCHAs are not enabled on your site"
15:29:34 <tomman> (and magically today all the checks were gone)
15:29:59 <tomman> they at least now recognize that they can subject your site to such a option, want it or not
15:30:14 <tomman> (it wasn't on the feature list for my hosting package when I signed up in 2023)
15:30:18 <nsITobin> now that isn't narzi.. that's quite soviet.. there was never a problem *disables problem* you are mistken..
15:30:32 <tomman> "nothing to see here, move along, your renewal is by next week"
15:30:58 <nsITobin> you wanna see how its done the OTHER way see the US Government
15:31:28 <tomman> Unfortunately after reviewing the hosting offers from other national providers, either they're poorer, using illegal exchange rates, or they won't even answer the phone and instead plaster the website with "lifetime packages" or "free trial"
15:31:56 <tomman> two of the providers I called today don't even have working landlines anymore - the listed phones are DEAD DEAD DEAD or "not assigned to any subscriber"
15:32:07 <nsITobin> what are your hosting requirements?
15:33:10 <tomman> Static pages / images, mostly, no databases, 2GB or more, infinite traffic (to not be worried), a couple email accounts, bring my own domain
15:33:32 <tomman> and of course tech support run by humans
15:33:45 <tomman> a liiiitle bit of PHP, but that's it
15:34:31 <nsITobin> so basically a 10 dollar VPS would be overkill
15:34:32 <tomman> Anyway, the whole issue is "solved" for now with my hosting, but just like any war on tech against me, this is just the first episode
15:34:40 <tomman> a VPS is definitely overkill for me, yes
15:38:48 <nsITobin> well if all else fails, you have another email provider, AND I am otherwise existing.. You won't be without some webspace..
15:39:15 <nsITobin> free webspace for all.. as space permits!
15:40:14 <nsITobin> I mean I was able to have free websites back in the day.. maybe not PHP enabled ones but free never the less until the late 2000s.. it is ridiculous to pay for BASIC webspace with trivial traffic load
15:44:25 <tomman> if I didn't had CGNAT, I would host my junk myself :P
15:44:49 <nsITobin> self-hosting is often forbidden by US ISP Terms of Service
15:44:53 <tomman> I mean, why I would have 100 symmetric Mbps fiber otherwise!?
15:44:59 <nsITobin> it is why they are dragging their feet on symetric
15:45:05 <nsITobin> in cable
15:45:18 <tomman> over there they don't care what you do as long as it is legal, but CGNAT pretty much nerfs all the fun stuff
15:45:27 <tomman> and 99% of our fiber ISPs are CGNAT
15:45:42 <tomman> if you're lucky, you might find one willing to rent you  a v4 address for $20/mo
15:46:01 <nsITobin> tomman: wanna help me setup an email server?
15:48:55 <tomman> selfhosting email? That sounds suicide! :D
15:50:37 <nsITobin> is it suicide or sociocide.. anti-citizenlike
15:52:30 <nsITobin> i do know the bar has been raised again and again to even have email at a custom domain
15:52:50 <nsITobin> let alone allow email my server sends not be thrown automatically in a spam folder
16:37:41 <therube> Pale Moon 33.6.0.1, https://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml
16:46:33 <nsITobin> the real question is.. are they.. is that their conclusion.. or are they just recycling my conclusions from the channel log..
16:46:35 <nsITobin> therube:
16:47:37 <nsITobin> also kinda surprising after Moonchild shut down a thread for being conspiratal
16:47:43 <nsITobin> just last week
16:51:01 <nsITobin> I need to stop reading the forum..
17:29:29 <IanN_Away> hiya nsITobin
17:29:42 <IanN_Away> hi therube
17:30:22 <tomman> nsITobin: Theories or no, it's clear that they're under attack by Clownflare
17:30:33 <tomman> and if we don't observe the situation carefully, we're next
17:31:29 <nsITobin> hi IanN_Away
17:35:12 <nsITobin> sup IanN_Away
17:35:15 <nsITobin> err
17:35:17 <nsITobin> lol
17:35:37 <nsITobin> therube
17:37:51 <therube> all that aside, the point is, if it affect them it may very likely come to affect us - it already does, only we don't crash... yet.
17:38:08 <frg_Away> tomman I doubt it. They are just constantly meddling with the challenge code and are too dumb to do it right. I only use one site which needs it but anything protected by clownflare won't get a dime or recommendation from me.
17:38:53 <tomman> if only they disclosed how their stupid challenge worked, even if web browsers HAD to sign NDAs...
17:39:07 <tomman> but nope, "you have to be This Important™ to join this club"
17:39:33 <nsITobin> I am not discounting this is all my fault given my recent escipades into enemy strongholds..
17:41:10 <nsITobin> I mean.. I railled against mozilla fully for them to specifically inform me i was not a threat before banning me.. I poked the w3c the whatwg and poked a few other bears.. It COULD be my fault
17:41:42 <nsITobin> and let's encrypt
17:41:44 <tomman> The other problem is that even if we do our darndest to avoid Clownflared sites, they're like a minefield
17:41:58 <tomman> you never know when your next link click will send you into a landmine, er, Clownflared site
17:42:07 <tomman> they're Everywhere, avoiding them is like avoiding flu
17:42:26 <nsITobin> one needs an immune system
17:42:28 <nsITobin> then
17:42:31 <tomman> and that's where the real danger lies
17:42:35 <nsITobin> where is our immune system
17:42:47 <tomman> mine is fighting a hungry cat outside my kitchen right now :D
17:43:39 <nsITobin> if star trek has taught me anything.. every problem can be solved with a magic metaphore..
17:43:45 <nsITobin> or quantum
17:43:56 <nsITobin> but looking at firefox.. I think I am siding with magic
17:45:57 <nsITobin> tomman: i do notice JWZ seems silent on CF domination
17:46:08 <tomman> oh, he had made a couple posts recently
17:46:12 <tomman> BUT... he uses Safari :/
17:46:14 <nsITobin> of course I know he doesn't regard UXP or SeaMonkey very highly
17:46:30 <nsITobin> nothing on his blog
17:46:38 <tomman> he outright avoids Mozilla and Chrome products
17:46:59 <tomman> https://www.jwz.org/blog/2024/06/the-turing-police-would-like-a-word/
17:47:00 <nsITobin> apple isn't ANY better
17:47:07 <tomman> https://www.jwz.org/blog/2024/02/my-device-i-am-told-might-be-unverified/
17:47:14 <nsITobin> yeah last year
17:47:16 <tomman> https://www.jwz.org/blog/2019/05/cloudflare-still-loves-that-sweet-sweet-nazi-cash/
17:47:18 <nsITobin> but its worse now
17:47:49 <tomman> these are his 3 more recent entries for Clownflare
17:53:13 <therube> https://www.ghacks.net/2025/02/19/mozilla-extends-firefox-support-for-windows-7-to-september-2025/
17:55:22 <nsITobin> I guess if one wanted to have forked 115 it would have been a GREAT idea at the time.. given how extended it has been..
17:55:46 <nsITobin> little late now but that would have been a good bet
17:58:01 <therube> as i'm on Win7, i'm glad they're extending
18:01:55 <nsITobin> therube: i dunno.. seems fishy to me
18:32:47 <frg_Away> nsITobin was announced on another site too. TB 115 is no more in contrast.