00:03:13 <nsITobin>  njsg yeah
00:14:03 <tomman> njsg: s/.pt/.ve/
00:14:11 <tomman> basically the same crap here :)
00:58:31 <Ximo> you can reliably bitch about .ve on what appears to be a 24/7 basis, you have it a lot lot lot better than most of the .ve expats in .es ;)
01:01:07 <tomman> we live in a constant "hold my beer" status, yes :D
01:01:24 <Ximo> :D
01:01:35 <tomman> Anyway, nothing to report today on Day 17 on the Clownflare Siege...
01:01:42 <tomman> no news is... good news?
01:01:46 <tomman> no, no news is no news
01:02:02 <Ximo> clownflare hasn't pissed me off this week, yet
01:04:13 <tomman> at least it doesn't vomit JS errors anymore on the dev console
01:04:20 <tomman> it just shuts itself like a clam
01:04:27 <tomman> "Update your browser!"
01:04:41 <tomman> even the error message is misleading as hell
01:05:52 <tomman> the entire error page is drawn via JS
01:08:35 <njsg> it would be good if the company could at least have a communication channel for this
01:09:34 <tomman> sure, you can always become a Business Customer™
01:09:53 <tomman> ...so you can get told to pound sand while they milk your Corporate Visa, yay~!
01:10:47 <tomman> it's a shame that noone is doing public RE over Clownflare fingerprinting/blocking crap
01:10:57 <tomman> other than the few notes I found at Ladybird's Github
01:11:27 <tomman> (and if anyone is doing RE on its own, why would even bother publishing it? Might as well consider it weapons-grade assets and sell them to bot writers)
01:39:45 <njsg> RE I wouldn't say, but debugging I've done it a couple times, but it gets more tiring and I still need to get back the VM setup that enabled me to do more of that testing
01:40:29 <njsg> say, when I digged through HTTP interactions side-by-side in two inspectors to find their self-DDoS was caused by Origin:
18:16:10 <tomman> oh pretty
18:16:14 <tomman> the WSJ now serves captchas
18:16:22 <tomman> then I solve the captcha and... I got blocked
18:16:36 <tomman> let me guess: they hate my CGNAT too
18:23:06 <tomman> their reasoning is bogus: "something has intrigued us about your browser behavior"
18:23:35 <tomman> either I browse at a superhuman speed (wat), I'm tampering with JavaScript (wtf), or I house a robot in my same IP
18:53:15 <UsL> wsj, no loss really. But the fact that sites should care about simple get requests are beyond stupid. Let me fetch the damn page. I could accept if post, put, patch, and delete would get elevated to some captcha check. But get requests should just get a pass.
18:56:14 <tomman> Amazingly the WSJ captcha works fine on SeaMonkey - they haven't gone nuclear like Clownflare
18:56:23 <tomman> but solving a captcha just to get the door slammed at your face is RUDE
18:56:31 <tomman> not even *Google* goes that far
19:46:01 <IanN_Away> hiya nsITobin
19:58:24 <nsITobin> i am gonna be banned from libra chat shortly
19:58:33 <nsITobin> IanN_Away: so i am not having a good day
20:15:07 <nsITobin> I can't be on this network anymore..
20:16:28 <nsITobin> because I can't NOT walk away from being instantly challeged when I am being sincere .. and its escilated again elsewhere on libra
20:24:49 <nsITobin> Not gonna bring it here.. don't worry..
20:37:58 <nsITobin> sorry IanN_Away did you ping me for a reason I just rolled over?
20:44:15 <tomman> nsITobin: the safe word for today is "Clownflare" :D
20:44:47 <nsITobin> steamrolled whatever the termology is.. i am drained
20:45:05 <tomman> damn, I now have another idea for the hat embroidery shop
20:45:58 <tomman> they will embroider any logo you want for $2.50, and you can buy blank baseball caps for another $2.50 at a nearby shop
20:46:58 <tomman> something like this: https://media.tsdx.net.ve/IMG_20250205_153621.jpg
20:47:34 <tomman> so I'll order a "Clownflare" hat instead, and maybe do the orange hat in any other color, maybe red and white
21:10:36 <nsITobin> Make Cloudflare Accessible Again.
21:10:39 <nsITobin> tomman:
21:10:46 <nsITobin> that's the hat
21:11:23 <nsITobin> or rather.. Make Cloudflare Not Exist Again.
21:11:25 <nsITobin> even better
21:11:44 <nsITobin> tomman: any new developments or just persistance
21:13:31 <tomman> I might be looking on switching hosting providers in the future
21:13:50 <nsITobin> I recommend Afterburst
21:14:07 <nsITobin> unmetered bandwith cheap prices leaves you alone.. semi-reasonable tos
21:14:08 <tomman> a user of my website recently reported getting a (non-Clownflare) captcha, and found my provider uses some protection crap that they had told nothing about
21:14:25 <tomman> also, Clownflare is an option that they already enforce to enter their customer service portal
21:14:44 <tomman> I need something I can pay in local currency, preferably :/
21:14:54 <nsITobin> can you use paypal?
21:15:29 <tomman> I can use a international debit card, but should be a low amount as buying currency from the banks here is... hard
21:15:34 <tomman> and the black market is expensive
21:16:07 <tomman> And for other reasons I prefer to deal with a national provider
21:18:14 <nsITobin> right
21:21:07 <nsITobin> tomman: i figured it out
21:21:21 <nsITobin> not really
21:21:45 <nsITobin> but maybe
21:21:58 <nsITobin> i dunno I will think about it some more
21:43:48 <nsITobin> tomman: yeah afterburst does have credit card payments through stripe
23:32:51 <IanN_Away> nsITobin: I was just saying hi
23:42:15 <nsITobin> ah ok.. How are you?
23:44:51 <IanN_Away> nsITobin: not too bad thanks and you?
23:45:43 <nsITobin> aside from earlier.. fine over all.. bit drained.. gonna cook up a pork steak
23:49:35 <IanN_Away> nsITobin: sounds tasty
23:50:57 <nsITobin> yeah people look down on the pork steak because it isn't a loin chop but you wanna subsist on something that is versitile and has enough fat to stand up to different kinds of cooking.. go pork steak or sholder roast
23:55:00 <nsITobin> plus ever try grilling a pork loin chop? it is easier to grill chicken breast.. but a pork steak is BEST when grilled preferably over charcoal
23:55:03 <IanN_Away> nsITobin: I have some beef rump steak for tomorrow
23:55:16 <nsITobin> awesome