00:18:30 OK, I installed uBlock Orgin... I have it on Firefox and now for SeaMonkey and the bad, buged script doesn't load and can't crash the browser... 00:25:05 and they wonder why adblockers exist 00:25:07 AxelS: 09:48:27 hello folks 09:49:43 does seamonkey use certain dependencies that are only compatible with stable distributions? Im on a testing version of debian and both opera and seamonkey can't display higher than 360p for some reason 09:50:09 i asked the folks at #debian-next and they told me this might be the issue as to why I can't display video on youtube higher than 360p 10:07:46 maybe it's some codecs? that aren't installed? not sure. vivaldi browser works and any other browser that comes with the distro. just any browser i install manually like seamonkey doesn't seem to want to work properly 10:29:25 Media level in 2.53 is at about Fx 61 with additional fixes. That might account for it. No problem in macOS and Windows. I alway run into code problems under Linux evel with players so I won't track it down. Lifew is too short. If others see the same it is the old source level. If not something distribution specific. 10:37:58 ? 10:38:29 I don't understand your answer 10:42:47 simple does it work for others in other Liniux distros then it is distribution specific. 10:44:47 thank you for your answer. 10:45:33 i don't own another computer with another linux distro :-( 10:45:49 I think it could be because i'm using 'testing' which is part of the propblem. 10:45:52 problem 10:46:19 i'm asking the debian people this on their forum. hopefully someone has a similiar experience 14:33:08 Status meeting in 30 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-02-16 14:52:53 Status meeting in 10 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-02-16 14:58:48 almost there~ 14:59:02 can't wait 14:59:51 Status meeting in 3 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-02-16 15:00:44 hi rsx11m 15:00:56 Oh holy JWZ, please bless the Status Meeting we are about to hold. In your name... etc 15:01:22 hi IanN nsITobin frg_Away 15:01:27 sup 15:02:04 hi .* 15:02:15 hi nsj tomman 15:02:28 yo~~ 15:02:34 Status meeting time - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-02-16 15:03:07 hi rsx11m and all the others. 15:03:08 Who's taking minutes? 15:03:13 me 15:03:19 thanks 15:03:36 Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank? 15:04:05 I nominate nsITobin for his community page and the upload space provided. 15:05:51 seconded 15:05:56 3rd 15:06:02 3rded^W4rthed 15:06:03 yup~ 15:06:36 everyone already has accounts they just don't know the passwords.. Hoping to finish this this week and move on.. 15:07:21 * nsITobin floats in tank 15:07:52 Action Items 15:08:11 bau for me. 15:09:11 Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure 15:10:15 Added a prerelease checkout build directory to the Windows build server but no integration yet. Did a test build. ewong is trying to change the build configs next for better automation. 15:11:04 My plan would be to finish Bug 1687385 for it. We will see. 15:12:26 frg: is that like mirroring the structure as it would be uploaded to archive? 15:12:59 IanN I think uploading to archive is the goal. 15:13:25 Also use them for release builds. I doubt it will happen in the next week thou :) 15:14:40 frg: okay, was just wondering if it was something that needed to happen on the Linux build server or whether it was already there 15:15:05 so far the nightlies are being built only for Mac and Linux, right? 15:15:16 First thing would be to have usuable configs in the source I think. 15:16:05 tomman: yes 15:16:08 Last thing would be not to have something like taskcluster :) 15:16:28 no taskcluster please 15:17:27 frg has some windows builds on the cci following the structure archive uses .. 15:18:52 ewong also wanted to look into the signing key issue but suspect also something not done next week. 15:19:04 frg: true 15:19:40 I think we need to distribute the next Windows release(s) unsigned. 15:20:17 Lots of notification needs to be done to prevent a possible outcry if you go unsigned for a time 15:20:52 some redtext and a blog post would do it 15:20:52 at least on Windows it's easier to go unsigned 15:21:03 on Mac it would be basically a nightmare 15:21:22 Watch me not care. Basically 3 core people with daytime jobs doing the official releases. There are still the checksums. 15:21:50 That's the spirit! 15:22:14 tomman we only signed on Windows. macOS is even more urgkkk. Needs a real mac and uploading to mother Apple as far as I know. 15:22:51 Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree 15:23:13 2.53 is fine. central is unknown becuase of Bills death. No more daily builds. 15:23:21 Something for later too. 15:24:02 My WIP branch progress and SpiderMonkey there is now at the start of 69a1. As stated yesterday left stuff out which might bite us later or not. 15:24:04 I'll get central flowing again i just dunno when .. try and tagrte later this coming week next week 15:24:18 the ftp needs done first 15:24:27 need to check in Bills last central build fixes too. 15:25:30 thanks nsITobin 15:26:48 Release Train 15:27:24 Not much in the prerelease right now. so I think 2.53.21 can still wait a bit. 15:28:38 Need to finish places sync to 2.57 but not sure if I manage for 2.53.21 15:29:54 yeah, see what the next 3-6 weeks brings 15:31:13 Extensions Tracking 15:31:26 bau. 15:31:55 No new breakages so far, that 5 year old pdf.js addon still holds strong 15:32:11 tomman: yay 15:32:22 apparently the recommended Greasemoneky version for SeaMonkey is this: https://sourceforge.net/projects/gmport/ 15:32:51 tomman: useful to know 15:33:00 tomman I can upload a wip build to try. Good for ebay but not so good for anything else because of missing optional chaining. 15:33:02 haven't bothered sitting down to find a way to restore Redirector's JQuery-powered settings dialog after the last Mozilla restrictions on fields there 15:33:56 frg: these days the #1 JS most popular shiny are dynamic imports 15:34:12 4 out of 5 broken sites are dynamic imports 15:34:29 even if customelements and shadowdom fall out of favor because oops too much user power.. esmodules will persist 15:34:41 That works but almost every other site breaks when optional chaining is not there. 15:35:17 I still need more updates in wip before I tackle reintegrating it. Don't want do this again. 15:35:46 Then... we got the latest ongoing CF saga, and for that one sadly there is no hope after the latest developments at CF's end 15:36:01 yeah standby 15:36:09 at least they're not serving us SeaMonkey users with intentional OOM blobs 15:36:23 one day I ought to get some sort of clarification from them on whether they really really don't give a damn anymore 15:36:40 the only workaround (which I've not tested) some people have found is this: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=32104 15:36:48 tomman: and they learned not to self-DDoS! 15:37:29 basically passing the check on an Approved Browser (which from FF's side seems to include ESR115, which got an exemption because of Windows 7), then copying the UA string and CF cookies from there 15:37:49 Lets just drop clownflare in the meeting. Goes nowhere. 15:38:03 Just reporting, but yeah, let's move on. 15:38:58 2.Next, Feature List, Planning & Roundtable 15:39:28 bau. Hope to get the next round of reviews done next and d a few checkins too. 15:39:43 I think we need to enable hwaccel on linux and hope for the best it requires too much user work to do it 15:40:18 by default 15:40:52 nsITobin needs webrender or lots of self done stuff. Doubt you will see it soon. 15:41:53 what to fully prevent layers acting up yeah but hwaccel support has gotten ratehr good in linux only really hybrid laptop gpu graphics and old intel chips are the largest troublemakers 15:43:16 mozilla integrated it via webrender. So we either follow or do our own. When it comes to our own it is like stylo. Not enough hands doing the work and don't ask me about the knowledge :) 15:43:51 frg: i can flip prefs and get full acceleration and it works fine.. it just MAY NOT for every chip under the sun.. 15:44:19 perhaps all that is needed is to find and document how to do it and put it somewhere that should be plenty sufficient 15:44:41 or add some gui prefs 15:44:57 a question is for how long hw acceleration will work well under Xorg 15:45:13 under xorg.. forever .. wayland.. yeah.. 15:45:30 wayland/xwayland 15:45:31 but related for web compat is how to make sites work with webgl disabled, I've seen a site that'd fail with it disabled, no idea if it needed something else to fall back or if it was just bad design 15:45:43 there is a force pref 15:45:52 force on or force off? 15:46:16 documentation first, wider usership, and then decide.. likely best course instead of my shove it on now lol 15:47:02 I have these flipped true layers.acceleration.enabled layers.acceleration.force-enabled layers.force-active layers.omtp.enabled webgl.force-enabled webgl.msaa-force 15:48:24 there are some env vars as well but i dunno if seamonkey still honors them.. 15:49:17 anyway... 15:50:52 Personally I won't even look at it currently. Like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Need to fix web compat problems first. Most media sites even no longer display ok. 15:51:19 I meant for disabling, but yes, this ought to be a thing to research later, if I can ever. Well, maybe on a VM at least I can play with it. 15:51:47 well I am known for jumping the gun soo research is good 15:57:25 AOB 15:57:32 bau 15:58:30 same 15:59:12 bau 15:59:16 the "Summer Time" thingy starts with the next meeting on March 9th 15:59:21 North America only 15:59:34 thus, still the same time 15:00 UTC 15:59:43 Nothing to add than it feels good to be working this hard again on stuff that matters. 15:59:54 other than* 16:00:24 thanks again nsITobin 16:00:36 thanks for reminding us rsx11m 16:00:40 so we are going back to one hour earlier? 16:00:48 yepp 16:01:15 so for me that would be... from 11:00 to 10:00 VET 16:01:15 March 9th will still be the usual timme UTC 16:01:25 ah, then there is no change for me then 16:01:55 the meeting thereafter (March 30th) should be 14:00 UTC then 16:02:05 or, is it the first weekend in April for Europe? 16:02:12 last sunday of march 16:02:13 wait.. UTC doesn't HAVE a timezone 16:02:14 lol 16:02:23 yes 03/30 16:02:28 err daylight savings time 16:02:33 I think UTC *is* the time zone ;-) 16:02:34 in this case same utc time, because european time won't change yet 16:02:44 Don't think I see that they cancel this in my lifetime. 16:02:56 time keeps on slippin slippin slippin .. into the future! 16:03:06 interesting that the pandemic halted it, and it hasn't come back up again 16:03:19 we don't switch timezones once a year in most of Latin America 16:03:19 they were supposedly set to drop DST in Europe 16:03:49 thanks for your time today, next meeting same bat channel, same bat time (DST allowing) 16:04:03 in 3 weeks 16:04:06 there was a bill past in the U.S. Senate but never picked up by the House (or the other way around) 16:04:21 holy batday and see you here 16:04:32 cya .* 16:04:46 drive with care~ 16:04:47 bye then! 16:04:52 frg is gone but not forgotten :) 16:19:44 btw i been looking at how the php source code works and is organized.. effectively "PHP" is just a series of extensions on the Zend engine and i dunno why only a few companies ever considered forking or altering it .. it is quite modular .. from a time when that mattered.. 16:21:04 so if PHP 8.later or PHP 9 screws us all.. it is NOT impossible to take matters into your own hands.. 22:56:22 nsITobin: ping 22:56:34 IanN_Away: sup 22:56:59 nsITobin: hi, does xr ignore directories with test in their path? 22:57:22 yes it does it cuts indexing from over an hour down to 15 minutes 22:58:40 I was planning to factor that back out and make it optional on a per tree basis.. 22:58:59 at least for free text search 23:00:03 in fact let me see if i can enable it for free text search at least 23:03:10 updating glimpse index 23:03:45 likely gonna take 15 minutes or 20.. 23:08:24 or not.. 23:08:43 IanN_Away: the real issue with this is... Too many hits, displaying the first 3000 23:09:13 anyway all testdirs are freetext but not ident indexed 23:10:11 https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/search?string=BrowserTestUtils&find= 23:10:42 you'll be narrowing your search by directory more ;) 23:11:57 https://xr.thereisonlyxul.org/seamonkey-2.53/search?string=BrowserTestUtils&find=%2Fbrowser%2Fbase%2Fcontent 23:17:32 IanN_Away: does that fix you up or do I need to dig into genxref and make it cross refererence the identifers? 23:17:56 for tests 23:18:07 nsITobin: yes, that now returns results for me 23:18:23 nsITobin: I was looking for references to mingus.js 23:19:37 will be more fun when I get the patchqueue state indexed on a regular basis 23:23:09 nsITobin: thanks 23:28:09 the heck is a mingus?