OK, I installed uBlock Orgin... I have it on Firefox and now for SeaMonkey and the bad, buged script doesn't load and can't crash the browser...

and they wonder why adblockers exist

AxelS:

hello folks

does seamonkey use certain dependencies that are only compatible with stable distributions? Im on a testing version of debian and both opera and seamonkey can't display higher than 360p for some reason

i asked the folks at #debian-next and they told me this might be the issue as to why I can't display video on youtube higher than 360p

maybe it's some codecs? that aren't installed? not sure. vivaldi browser works and any other browser that comes with the distro. just any browser i install manually like seamonkey doesn't seem to want to work properly

Media level in 2.53 is at about Fx 61 with additional fixes. That might account for it. No problem in macOS and Windows. I alway run into code problems under Linux evel with players so I won't track it down. Lifew is too short. If others see the same it is the old source level. If not something distribution specific.

?

I don't understand your answer

simple does it work for others in other Liniux distros then it is distribution specific.

thank you for your answer.

i don't own another computer with another linux distro :-(

I think it could be because i'm using 'testing' which is part of the propblem.

problem

i'm asking the debian people this on their forum. hopefully someone has a similiar experience

Status meeting in 30 minutes - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-02-16

Status meeting in 10 minutes - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-02-16

almost there~

can't wait

Status meeting in 3 minutes - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-02-16

hi rsx11m

Oh holy JWZ, please bless the Status Meeting we are about to hold. In your name... etc

hi IanN nsITobin frg_Away

sup

hi .*

hi nsj tomman

yo~~

Status meeting time - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-02-16

hi rsx11m and all the others.

Who's taking minutes?

me

thanks

Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?

I nominate nsITobin for his community page and the upload space provided.

seconded

3rd

3rded^W4rthed

yup~

everyone already has accounts they just don't know the passwords.. Hoping to finish this this week and move on..

Action Items

bau for me.

Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure

Added a prerelease checkout build directory to the Windows build server but no integration yet. Did a test build. ewong is trying to change the build configs next for better automation.

My plan would be to finish Bug 1687385 for it. We will see.

frg: is that like mirroring the structure as it would be uploaded to archive?

IanN I think uploading to archive is the goal.

Also use them for release builds. I doubt it will happen in the next week thou :)

frg: okay, was just wondering if it was something that needed to happen on the Linux build server or whether it was already there

so far the nightlies are being built only for Mac and Linux, right?

First thing would be to have usuable configs in the source I think.

tomman: yes

Last thing would be not to have something like taskcluster :)

no taskcluster please

frg has some windows builds on the cci following the structure archive uses ..

ewong also wanted to look into the signing key issue but suspect also something not done next week.

frg: true

I think we need to distribute the next Windows release(s) unsigned.

Lots of notification needs to be done to prevent a possible outcry if you go unsigned for a time

some redtext and a blog post would do it

at least on Windows it's easier to go unsigned

on Mac it would be basically a nightmare

Watch me not care. Basically 3 core people with daytime jobs doing the official releases. There are still the checksums.

That's the spirit!

tomman we only signed on Windows. macOS is even more urgkkk. Needs a real mac and uploading to mother Apple as far as I know.

Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree

2.53 is fine. central is unknown becuase of Bills death. No more daily builds.

Something for later too.

My WIP branch progress and SpiderMonkey there is now at the start of 69a1. As stated yesterday left stuff out which might bite us later or not.

I'll get central flowing again i just dunno when .. try and tagrte later this coming week next week

the ftp needs done first

need to check in Bills last central build fixes too.

thanks nsITobin

Release Train

Not much in the prerelease right now. so I think 2.53.21 can still wait a bit.

Need to finish places sync to 2.57 but not sure if I manage for 2.53.21

yeah, see what the next 3-6 weeks brings

Extensions Tracking

bau.

No new breakages so far, that 5 year old pdf.js addon still holds strong

tomman: yay

apparently the recommended Greasemoneky version for SeaMonkey is this: sourceforge.net/projects/gmport

tomman: useful to know

tomman I can upload a wip build to try. Good for ebay but not so good for anything else because of missing optional chaining.

haven't bothered sitting down to find a way to restore Redirector's JQuery-powered settings dialog after the last Mozilla restrictions on <input> fields there

frg: these days the #1 JS most popular shiny are dynamic imports

4 out of 5 broken sites are dynamic imports

even if customelements and shadowdom fall out of favor because oops too much user power.. esmodules will persist

That works but almost every other site breaks when optional chaining is not there.

I still need more updates in wip before I tackle reintegrating it. Don't want do this again.

Then... we got the latest ongoing CF saga, and for that one sadly there is no hope after the latest developments at CF's end

yeah standby

at least they're not serving us SeaMonkey users with intentional OOM blobs

one day I ought to get some sort of clarification from them on whether they really really don't give a damn anymore

the only workaround (which I've not tested) some people have found is this: forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=32104

tomman: and they learned not to self-DDoS!

basically passing the check on an Approved Browser (which from FF's side seems to include ESR115, which got an exemption because of Windows 7), then copying the UA string and CF cookies from there

Lets just drop clownflare in the meeting. Goes nowhere.

Just reporting, but yeah, let's move on.

2.Next, Feature List, Planning & Roundtable

bau. Hope to get the next round of reviews done next and d a few checkins too.

I think we need to enable hwaccel on linux and hope for the best it requires too much user work to do it

by default

nsITobin needs webrender or lots of self done stuff. Doubt you will see it soon.

what to fully prevent layers acting up yeah but hwaccel support has gotten ratehr good in linux only really hybrid laptop gpu graphics and old intel chips are the largest troublemakers

mozilla integrated it via webrender. So we either follow or do our own. When it comes to our own it is like stylo. Not enough hands doing the work and don't ask me about the knowledge :)

frg: i can flip prefs and get full acceleration and it works fine.. it just MAY NOT for every chip under the sun..

perhaps all that is needed is to find and document how to do it and put it somewhere that should be plenty sufficient

or add some gui prefs

a question is for how long hw acceleration will work well under Xorg

under xorg.. forever .. wayland.. yeah..

wayland/xwayland

but related for web compat is how to make sites work with webgl disabled, I've seen a site that'd fail with it disabled, no idea if it needed something else to fall back or if it was just bad design

there is a force pref

force on or force off?

documentation first, wider usership, and then decide.. likely best course instead of my shove it on now lol

I have these flipped true layers.acceleration.enabled layers.acceleration.force-enabled layers.force-active layers.omtp.enabled webgl.force-enabled webgl.msaa-force

there are some env vars as well but i dunno if seamonkey still honors them..

anyway...

Personally I won't even look at it currently. Like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Need to fix web compat problems first. Most media sites even no longer display ok.

I meant for disabling, but yes, this ought to be a thing to research later, if I can ever. Well, maybe on a VM at least I can play with it.

well I am known for jumping the gun soo research is good

AOB

bau

same

bau

the "Summer Time" thingy starts with the next meeting on March 9th

North America only

thus, still the same time 15:00 UTC

Nothing to add than it feels good to be working this hard again on stuff that matters.

other than*

thanks again nsITobin

thanks for reminding us rsx11m

so we are going back to one hour earlier?

yepp

so for me that would be... from 11:00 to 10:00 VET

March 9th will still be the usual timme UTC

ah, then there is no change for me then

the meeting thereafter (March 30th) should be 14:00 UTC then

or, is it the first weekend in April for Europe?

last sunday of march

wait.. UTC doesn't HAVE a timezone

lol

yes 03/30

err daylight savings time

I think UTC *is* the time zone ;-)

in this case same utc time, because european time won't change yet

Don't think I see that they cancel this in my lifetime.

time keeps on slippin slippin slippin .. into the future!

interesting that the pandemic halted it, and it hasn't come back up again

we don't switch timezones once a year in most of Latin America

they were supposedly set to drop DST in Europe

thanks for your time today, next meeting same bat channel, same bat time (DST allowing)

in 3 weeks

there was a bill past in the U.S. Senate but never picked up by the House (or the other way around)

holy batday and see you here

cya .*

drive with care~

bye then!

frg is gone but not forgotten :)

btw i been looking at how the php source code works and is organized.. effectively "PHP" is just a series of extensions on the Zend engine and i dunno why only a few companies ever considered forking or altering it .. it is quite modular .. from a time when that mattered..

so if PHP 8.later or PHP 9 screws us all.. it is NOT impossible to take matters into your own hands..

nsITobin: ping

IanN_Away: sup

nsITobin: hi, does xr ignore directories with test in their path?

yes it does it cuts indexing from over an hour down to 15 minutes

I was planning to factor that back out and make it optional on a per tree basis..

at least for free text search

in fact let me see if i can enable it for free text search at least

updating glimpse index

likely gonna take 15 minutes or 20..

or not..

IanN_Away: the real issue with this is... Too many hits, displaying the first 3000

anyway all testdirs are freetext but not ident indexed

you'll be narrowing your search by directory more ;)

IanN_Away: does that fix you up or do I need to dig into genxref and make it cross refererence the identifers?

for tests

nsITobin: yes, that now returns results for me

nsITobin: I was looking for references to mingus.js

will be more fun when I get the patchqueue state indexed on a regular basis

nsITobin: thanks

the heck is a mingus?