13:42:07 <nsITobin> Moonchild has deemed anything other than ignorant incompetance and otherwise good intentioned neglegnce as a conspiracy theory.. There is no corperate-political collision and merging happening.. It's just a bug in the system.. nothing to see here
13:42:44 <nsITobin> Cloudflare is blocking us because its just a misunderstanding or mistake..
13:42:55 <nsITobin> and don't dare suggest otherwise
13:46:01 <nsITobin> and the users are crying out for political leadership or at least some form of common understanding about the situation and knowing one isn't just dismissed and considered merely disgruntled.
13:46:19 <nsITobin> and really my response would be.. Too late.
13:52:08 <nsITobin> You want to know how Trump and Elon end? Take my situation and apply world wide actual deadly consiquences.. That's how it ends.
13:52:43 <nsITobin> also more evil than most rich people can buy ..
13:54:13 <nsITobin> Anyway enough of that jazz.. distracting me from my work and talking about NOT .. that.
14:00:17 <nsITobin> I am gonna find some GOOD NEWS.. there has to be some SOMEWHERE.
14:45:23 <tomman> let me be a contrarian
14:45:26 <tomman> Clownflare IS political
14:45:31 <tomman> and it's on a war against everybody
14:45:42 <tomman> also, stop calling them "Cloudflare"
14:45:53 <tomman> they don't deserve any ounce or gram of respect"
14:46:13 <tomman> in other news... the media indeed is not interested in our cause :/
14:46:43 <tomman> hmmm, wonder if Phoronix would be interested
14:46:52 <tomman> ...nah, the place loves developer drama
14:47:05 <tomman> especially if Rust is involved
15:01:19 <frg_Away> rust and the linux kernel seem to go along well currently .... :)
16:18:45 <nsITobin> I wouldn't hate rust so much if rust was avoidable..
16:19:16 <nsITobin> but its part of the monoculture.. only one typesafe binary langauge and its rust.. c/c++ is just legacy
16:19:43 <nsITobin> like python is the ONLY solution for scripting and serverside web and js is the only solution client side
16:20:35 <nsITobin> rust could be the greatest thing in the world and solve everyone's problems including mine and I'd still resist because its being forced.
16:22:49 <nsITobin> in rust's weight class its only real compeditor is go.. rust is NOT a replacement for c++ it's a C++ framework.
16:25:05 <frg_Away> I don't really hate rust. I find it just too abstract and suspect rust source will become a maintanence desaster in the future. And the statically linked crate concept is imho dll version hell in a static fold.
16:25:55 <nsITobin> it's libxul
16:25:58 <nsITobin> in concept
16:26:29 <nsITobin> and we know how much that has caused issues for everyone.. I should love rust.. rust is pure Mozilla design.. except.. wrong era ;)
16:27:48 <frg_Away> I consider myself a second rate programmer and rust is way over my head. Would need a few months of peace and quiet to even trying to tackle and understand it.
16:29:23 <nsITobin> I don't consider my self a programmer.. I am a coder at best.. designer at worse..
16:30:50 <nsITobin> the secret plan has always been to work around being a crap programmer by structuring and infra'ing solutions so everyone else can code.. not much of a secret.. maybe not much of a plan but its all mine LOL
16:32:36 <frg_Away> gitlab wip updated
16:32:39 <nsITobin> the fact I am learning more and more code and devlopment must mean the plan isn't working.. oh well it isn't much of a plan.. not like the stuff I am coding up ;)
16:33:36 <nsITobin> ... I'll be a programmer I GUESS
16:33:48 <nsITobin> ah what's new in WIP *goes to check*
16:33:54 <frg_Away> SpiderMonkey is now at start of 69 nightly in wip. Needs more backports till I can tackle reinintegrate optional chaining and new regexp. I also left out a bunch of patches which might bite us later or not.
16:35:07 <frg_Away> BigInt and dyamic modules in and es fields work in progress
16:35:28 <frg_Away> But test 262 suite does not crash :)
16:37:16 <nsITobin> is single rhelm per compartment gonna cause any extension issues?
16:39:06 <frg_Away> Don't think so. The compartment is basically the realm. I left out most of the multirealm and global stuff. NoScript und uBlock still work as do our extensions. But needs testing for sure.
16:41:58 <frg_Away> addon compartment is also still in. Removal of this broke stuff badly.
17:58:15 <nsITobin> frg_Away: sorry, breakfast happened, I'll over the next day or two when not php'ing will collect a selection of extensions beyond noscript and otehr content blockers to be for thrash-testing with in a real-worldish but not MY personal setup
17:58:56 <nsITobin> what I need to do is actually scrape atbn before it's too late
22:01:34 <carl> hello folks
22:01:56 <carl> just had a quick question. I am trying to watch videos on youtube and the resolution is stuck on 360p for some reason without any options to change it...
22:02:10 <carl> has anyone else had this issue?
22:08:34 <nsITobin> hi carl
22:09:06 <carl> hi there!
22:09:07 <nsITobin> did you try twiddling with a UA Override for the tube of yous?
22:09:16 <carl> UA override?
22:09:24 <carl> sorry not sure what that means
22:09:44 <nsITobin> That's ok.. let me load up a new seamonkey instance and visit youtube see what it is doing
22:10:30 <nsITobin> carl: what version? 2.53.20?
22:10:36 <nsITobin> and OS
22:10:50 <carl> v. 2.53.20
22:10:55 <carl> os debian linux 12
22:11:18 <nsITobin> Help > Troubleshooting Information
22:12:01 <nsITobin> Under graphics Decision log what does it say?
22:12:15 <AxelS> Hello, I installed a fresh SeaMonkey on Window$ (24H2) but some sites are chrashing SeaMonkey like wer-weiss-was.de and I don't but why. SeaMonkey does not responding...
22:12:19 <nsITobin> HW_COMPOSITING and OMTP specifically
22:13:07 <nsITobin> AxelS: Please hold on the line. Your call is very importan to us. *hold music*
22:13:09 <nsITobin> :P
22:13:26 <carl> will have a look hold on
22:14:29 <carl> HW_COMPOSITING	
22:14:31 <carl> blocked by default: Acceleration blocked by platform
22:14:32 <carl> OPENGL_COMPOSITING	
22:14:34 <carl> unavailable by default: Hardware compositing is disabled
22:14:35 <carl> WEBRENDER	
22:14:37 <carl> opt-in by default: WebRender is an opt-in feature
22:14:38 <carl> unavailable by runtime: Build doesn't include WebRender
22:14:40 <carl> OMTP	
22:14:40 <nsITobin> that's good
22:14:41 <carl> disabled by default: Disabled by default
22:14:49 <nsITobin> well expected
22:14:52 <carl> no idea what any of this means...
22:15:15 <carl> brb gotta shovel another 15cm of snow off the driveway... we in the 51st state lol.... right?
22:15:49 <nsITobin> that's ok, it means for one you aren't getting HW acceleration I have prefs you can try to get that enabled.. if it doesn't have issues with your gfx card.. after that we can see if maybe you have missing media libs
22:16:39 <nsITobin> if acceleration works and you have media libs Youtube should serve higher than 320p video AND run decently well and not be a CPU hog.. but it IS down to your video card drivers and support
22:17:11 <nsITobin> I checked on kernel 6.10.x with an EL8 userspace current release and youtube is acting .. well for a change on my end.
22:17:32 <nsITobin> AxelS: so crashing websites.. is it related to recent Cloudflare issues?
22:18:17 <AxelS> I don't know...
22:18:30 <nsITobin> so does it instacrash?
22:18:36 <nsITobin> seems to work on linux
22:20:07 <AxelS> It seems to load scripts or similar and SeaMonkey is crashing, no responseing...
22:20:47 <AxelS> I was wondering that SeaMonkey is crashing, it's the latest version...
22:21:01 <nsITobin> yeah i see it.. i'd have to do a build and get visual studio going.. ublock was on cause wrong window
22:21:04 <AxelS> On other browsers, no problem
22:21:14 <nsITobin> AxelS: define "other browsers"
22:22:09 <nsITobin> anyway yeah on linux it is locking up too
22:22:21 <nsITobin> since the channel is logged it will be noted AxelS
22:22:23 <AxelS> Firefox, Edge and many more have no problems ;-)
22:22:50 <nsITobin> firefox and edge covers everything modern that's important
22:22:59 <nsITobin> anything other than safari is redundant
22:23:09 <AxelS> OK
22:23:45 <nsITobin> well firefox and any one chrome browser.. then add seamonkey and something UXP based and that is your basic lot..
22:24:08 <nsITobin> hey the watchdog DID eventually kick in to allow you to stop the script
22:24:13 <nsITobin> what do you know
22:24:32 <nsITobin> oh the unresponsive script box is unresponsive
22:24:38 <nsITobin> yep this is one of THOSE
22:24:41 <nsITobin> AxelS
22:25:10 <nsITobin> and back and was able to stop it
22:25:25 <nsITobin> grab you some ublock seems to block the offending script by default
22:25:35 <AxelS> I think so, a script will be loading and it doesn't work to stop... I try again ;-)
22:26:29 <nsITobin> i managed it but it is just instinct on timing and behavior of a xul app when it does this.. takes practice
22:27:05 <carl> cpu hog for sure it's so slow man
22:27:49 <carl> dunno mate i'm using this link
22:28:39 <carl> https://youtu.be/Ex2BG0RfRbs?si=1rZ2k5RJutyH-Es1
22:29:03 <AxelS> I think, external scripts are chrashing for "wer-weiss-was.de" SeaMonkey...
22:29:09 <carl> is there any way to turn hardware acceleration on? maybe this would help
22:29:26 <nsITobin> carl: let me get you some prefs..
22:31:34 <nsITobin> layers.acceleration.enabled layers.acceleration.force-enabled layers.force-active layers.omtp.enabled webgl.force-enabled webgl.msaa-force
22:31:41 <nsITobin> set each to true in about:config
22:31:43 <nsITobin> carl:
22:32:08 <carl> ok let me give it a go.
22:32:36 <nsITobin> restart seamonkey after setting all those
22:32:55 <carl> layers.acceleration.enabled
22:32:57 <nsITobin> now if you start getting strange black boxes you will have to flip them back off manually in your profile
22:33:18 <nsITobin> flip them all true
22:33:22 <carl> i only see forced enabled
22:33:36 <nsITobin> then right click and add new bool pref
22:33:41 <nsITobin> if it doesn't exist
22:36:20 <carl> okie! so... then you just exit afterwards? no need to click save anywhere?
22:36:22 <carl> brb
22:38:06 <carl> hello folks
22:38:10 <nsITobin> check about:support see if the decision log and navigate to a few sites not youtube see if it is stable
22:38:42 <nsITobin> Compositing at the top should say OpenGL and decision log should note the overrides
22:39:07 <nsITobin> ignore WEBRENDERER
22:39:11 <nsITobin> it is not used
22:39:46 <nsITobin> for fun paste the description for GPU #1
22:39:51 <nsITobin> too
22:40:30 <carl> compositing says OPENGL
22:40:35 <nsITobin> yay
22:40:46 <nsITobin> does it seem stable no black squares or artifacts?
22:41:00 <nsITobin> when you open context or menubar menus browse point click on webpages
22:41:01 <carl> W_COMPOSITING	
22:41:02 <carl> blocked by default: Acceleration blocked by platform
22:41:04 <carl> force_enabled by user: Force-enabled by pref
22:41:05 <carl> OPENGL_COMPOSITING	
22:41:07 <carl> force_enabled by user: Force-enabled by pref
22:41:08 <carl> WEBRENDER	
22:41:10 <carl> opt-in by default: WebRender is an opt-in feature
22:41:11 <carl> unavailable by runtime: Build doesn't include WebRender
22:41:13 <carl> OMTP	
22:41:14 <carl> disabled by default: Disabled by default
22:41:16 <carl> available by user: Enabled via layers.omtp.enabled
22:41:21 <carl> how can I turn acceleration on ... browser is painfully slow.. also no option to go beyond 360p
22:41:30 <nsITobin> it IS on now
22:41:47 <carl> oh my bad..
22:41:51 <nsITobin> Linux has historically iffy support for gfx acceleration and mozilla was cautious about it
22:42:10 <carl> gotcha.. welp... still can't get beyond 360p can I send a photo?
22:42:19 <nsITobin> NOW what does media say for audio backend just under what you pasted should be pulse or maybe pipewire-pulse
22:42:25 <nsITobin> don't need to paste it
22:42:30 <carl> gotcha.
22:42:49 <carl> pulse-rust
22:43:06 <nsITobin> gross but .. correct
22:43:46 <carl> gross?
22:44:04 <carl> maybe disable add ons? see if that helps?
22:44:20 <carl> er... safe mode?
22:44:24 <nsITobin> nevermind.. oh youtube removed the html5 testing check.. which told you what video formats you support
22:44:29 <nsITobin> nah
22:44:59 <carl> it did? ugh. i'm guessing it's a video formatting problem.. I have the same issue in opera browser, youtube vids don't even load
22:45:05 <carl> maybe missing codecs?
22:45:28 <nsITobin> yeah
22:45:36 <carl> https://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs
22:45:42 <nsITobin> but i don't know if its libav or gstreamer ..
22:45:46 <carl> hm... let me give that a shot and report back....
22:45:48 <nsITobin> it just worked for me LOL
22:45:50 <carl> libav?
22:46:10 <nsITobin> ffmpeg whatever has that in it
22:46:51 <nsITobin> but yeah codecs
22:47:09 <carl> is there a test site to see if my codecs are running by da browser?
22:47:15 <nsITobin> but of course codecs will run like crap without acceleration so that is why I had you do that first
22:47:20 <nsITobin> carl: used to be
22:47:23 <nsITobin> youtube removed it
22:47:30 <nsITobin> i dunno off hand of any
22:47:44 <nsITobin> drag media files into the browser
22:47:48 <nsITobin> that will do it
22:47:59 <nsITobin> if it supports it it will play it not try and download it
22:48:28 <carl> so codecs are software driven? and... youtube uses html5 and seamonkey opelgl is hardware driven? sorry i'm not an expert brb
22:50:00 <nsITobin> likely they need gstreamer
22:50:12 <nsITobin> carl: gstreamer
22:50:15 <nsITobin> make sure you have it
22:50:16 <carl> well. didn't work unfortunately
22:50:20 <nsITobin> then maybe it magically works
22:50:22 <carl> gstreamer?
22:50:44 <nsITobin> yeah dunno debian's packages but should be in there
22:50:58 <carl> gstreamer-qapt                         gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad
22:51:00 <carl> gstreamer1.0-adapter-pulseeffects      gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad-apps
22:51:01 <carl> gstreamer1.0-alsa                      gstreamer1.0-plugins-base
22:51:03 <carl> gstreamer1.0-autogain-pulseeffects     gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-apps
22:51:04 <carl> gstreamer1.0-clutter-3.0               gstreamer1.0-plugins-good
22:51:06 <carl> gstreamer1.0-convolver-pulseeffects    gstreamer1.0-plugins-rtp
22:51:07 <carl> gstreamer1.0-crystalizer-pulseeffects  gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly
22:51:09 <carl> gstreamer1.0-espeak                    gstreamer1.0-pocketsphinx
22:51:10 <nsITobin> stop
22:51:10 <carl> gstreamer1.0-gl                        gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio
22:51:12 <carl> gstreamer1.0-gtk3                      gstreamer1.0-python3-plugin-loader
22:51:13 <carl> gstreamer1.0-gtk4                      gstreamer1.0-qt5
22:51:15 <carl> gstreamer1.0-libav                     gstreamer1.0-qt6
22:51:16 <carl> gstreamer1.0-libcamera                 gstreamer1.0-rtsp
22:51:17 <nsITobin> ugh
22:51:18 <carl> gstreamer1.0-nice                      gstreamer1.0-tools
22:51:19 <carl> gstreamer1.0-opencv                    gstreamer1.0-vaapi
22:51:21 <carl> gstreamer1.0-packagekit                gstreamer1.0-wpe
22:51:22 <carl> gstreamer1.0-pipewire                  gstreamer1.0-x
22:51:24 <nsITobin> you're gonna flood out
22:51:24 <carl> which one there are so many
22:52:00 <carl> my bad, not sure what the proper etiquette is on these chats, I haven't used IRC since 1995
22:52:17 <Ximo> anything over 3 lines (if even that) you generally wanna "pastebin" or equivalent
22:52:22 <nsITobin> hasn't changed much carl
22:52:37 <carl> ah ok, will do that next time my bad
22:52:56 <nsITobin> it doesn't bother me so much but the network may autokick you
22:53:11 <carl> so which one do I install? maybe it will work after that who knows
22:53:29 <nsITobin> libav
22:53:36 <nsITobin> and whatever deps it pulls in
22:53:39 <nsITobin> SHOULD do it
22:53:41 <nsITobin> we hope
22:53:56 <nsITobin> and various plugins
22:53:58 <carl> already installed
22:54:11 <nsITobin> bad is ok it is just bad as in not-free
22:54:16 <nsITobin> in the debian sense
22:54:29 <carl> HAHA!
22:54:40 <carl> ok lets try install gstreamer* maybe?
22:54:53 <nsITobin> sure why no
22:54:55 <nsITobin> not
22:55:21 <carl> terminal losing its mind, brb
22:55:49 <carl> 250mb of madness
22:56:23 <carl> brb
22:57:27 <carl> oof.... doesn't work
23:03:53 <carl> any other ideas
23:04:17 <carl> i installed w64codecs_20071007-dmo2_amd64.deb
23:05:10 <nsITobin> check on debian forums and venues maybe unless someone here has more experience.. I didn't have to go hunting for media deps for seamonkey cause other stuff already pulled them in
23:05:34 <nsITobin> does debian not package seamonkey and set proper dependancies?
23:07:09 <carl> i don't think so I had to install the package separately.. as it isn't included on the distrubution
23:08:13 <frg_Away> doubleclick ad serving code locks it up. No problem with uBlock and NpScript. Otherwise goes into a hard loop sucking up cpu an memory.
23:13:31 <carl> maybe some dependencies are missing? but.. probably not otherwise it wouldn't install seamonkey to begin with?
23:13:40 <carl> the auto update feature works too so.. no idea
23:19:18 <AxelS> On the latest Kubuntu, there's the same bug with as example "wer-weiss-was.de"... SeaMonkey is crashing again...
23:26:17 <carl> any other ideas?
23:31:02 <carl> i tried opera browser, same issue only 360p allowed
23:31:53 <carl> the only browser that works properly at 1080p is vivaldi
23:43:36 <nsITobin> AxelS: yeah frg says its doubleclick serving up bad js
23:43:44 <nsITobin> before he left
23:48:28 <tomman> so that's the new strategy to block "niche" browsers? Serving broken JS recursive loops that will eventually cause your web browser to run out of resources?
23:48:38 <tomman> oh wow, the hate from the industry is intense
23:52:45 <nsITobin> we can't be sure THAT isn't just shitty javascript
23:52:59 <nsITobin> from doubleclick.. they WANT people to see their ads
23:53:14 <nsITobin> just how google ads keep working in everything possible
23:55:58 <tomman> well, Doubleclick is Google Ads, so... yeah, they won't stop trying
23:56:19 <tomman> thankfully those pests get zapped here even before they enter my LAN with DNS blocks, but they will keep trying over and over..
23:56:23 <nsITobin> well unless the hate is overriding the ad business yeah
23:56:37 <nsITobin> but what do I know.. I am just a browser toolbar
23:56:48 <tomman> soon: Clownflare will run their own ad busines
23:57:00 <nsITobin> CF may buy Mozilla..
23:57:21 <nsITobin> once Mozilla's ad business is going
23:57:24 <tomman> oof, that's cruel :D
23:57:30 <nsITobin> Cloudflare Browser
23:57:43 <tomman> I had completely forgotten that Mozilla is _now_ an ad biz
23:57:54 <nsITobin> as a paid browser free with paid service.. and Mozilla Firefox the open source end..
23:58:13 <nsITobin> that's bullshit speculation based on jack point shit but would it surprise you?
23:59:15 <tomman> at this point in this brave new screwed up world, ANYTHING is possible
23:59:40 <tomman> as someone said today on the Internet: "If Trump just got elected for a second term, then I believe anything"