Moonchild has deemed anything other than ignorant incompetance and otherwise good intentioned neglegnce as a conspiracy theory.. There is no corperate-political collision and merging happening.. It's just a bug in the system.. nothing to see here

Cloudflare is blocking us because its just a misunderstanding or mistake..

and don't dare suggest otherwise

and the users are crying out for political leadership or at least some form of common understanding about the situation and knowing one isn't just dismissed and considered merely disgruntled.

and really my response would be.. Too late.

You want to know how Trump and Elon end? Take my situation and apply world wide actual deadly consiquences.. That's how it ends.

also more evil than most rich people can buy ..

Anyway enough of that jazz.. distracting me from my work and talking about NOT .. that.

I am gonna find some GOOD NEWS.. there has to be some SOMEWHERE.

let me be a contrarian

Clownflare IS political

and it's on a war against everybody

also, stop calling them "Cloudflare"

they don't deserve any ounce or gram of respect"

in other news... the media indeed is not interested in our cause :/

hmmm, wonder if Phoronix would be interested

...nah, the place loves developer drama

especially if Rust is involved

rust and the linux kernel seem to go along well currently .... :)

I wouldn't hate rust so much if rust was avoidable..

but its part of the monoculture.. only one typesafe binary langauge and its rust.. c/c++ is just legacy

like python is the ONLY solution for scripting and serverside web and js is the only solution client side

rust could be the greatest thing in the world and solve everyone's problems including mine and I'd still resist because its being forced.

in rust's weight class its only real compeditor is go.. rust is NOT a replacement for c++ it's a C++ framework.

I don't really hate rust. I find it just too abstract and suspect rust source will become a maintanence desaster in the future. And the statically linked crate concept is imho dll version hell in a static fold.

it's libxul

in concept

and we know how much that has caused issues for everyone.. I should love rust.. rust is pure Mozilla design.. except.. wrong era ;)

I consider myself a second rate programmer and rust is way over my head. Would need a few months of peace and quiet to even trying to tackle and understand it.

I don't consider my self a programmer.. I am a coder at best.. designer at worse..

the secret plan has always been to work around being a crap programmer by structuring and infra'ing solutions so everyone else can code.. not much of a secret.. maybe not much of a plan but its all mine LOL

gitlab wip updated

the fact I am learning more and more code and devlopment must mean the plan isn't working.. oh well it isn't much of a plan.. not like the stuff I am coding up ;)

... I'll be a programmer I GUESS

ah what's new in WIP *goes to check*

SpiderMonkey is now at start of 69 nightly in wip. Needs more backports till I can tackle reinintegrate optional chaining and new regexp. I also left out a bunch of patches which might bite us later or not.

BigInt and dyamic modules in and es fields work in progress

But test 262 suite does not crash :)

is single rhelm per compartment gonna cause any extension issues?

Don't think so. The compartment is basically the realm. I left out most of the multirealm and global stuff. NoScript und uBlock still work as do our extensions. But needs testing for sure.

addon compartment is also still in. Removal of this broke stuff badly.

frg_Away: sorry, breakfast happened, I'll over the next day or two when not php'ing will collect a selection of extensions beyond noscript and otehr content blockers to be for thrash-testing with in a real-worldish but not MY personal setup

what I need to do is actually scrape atbn before it's too late

hello folks

just had a quick question. I am trying to watch videos on youtube and the resolution is stuck on 360p for some reason without any options to change it...

has anyone else had this issue?

hi carl

hi there!

did you try twiddling with a UA Override for the tube of yous?

UA override?

sorry not sure what that means

That's ok.. let me load up a new seamonkey instance and visit youtube see what it is doing

carl: what version? 2.53.20?

and OS

v. 2.53.20

os debian linux 12

Help > Troubleshooting Information

Under graphics Decision log what does it say?

Hello, I installed a fresh SeaMonkey on Window$ (24H2) but some sites are chrashing SeaMonkey like wer-weiss-was.de and I don't but why. SeaMonkey does not responding...

HW_COMPOSITING and OMTP specifically

AxelS: Please hold on the line. Your call is very importan to us. *hold music*

:P

will have a look hold on

HW_COMPOSITING

blocked by default: Acceleration blocked by platform

OPENGL_COMPOSITING

unavailable by default: Hardware compositing is disabled

WEBRENDER

opt-in by default: WebRender is an opt-in feature

unavailable by runtime: Build doesn't include WebRender

OMTP

that's good

disabled by default: Disabled by default

well expected

no idea what any of this means...

brb gotta shovel another 15cm of snow off the driveway... we in the 51st state lol.... right?

that's ok, it means for one you aren't getting HW acceleration I have prefs you can try to get that enabled.. if it doesn't have issues with your gfx card.. after that we can see if maybe you have missing media libs

if acceleration works and you have media libs Youtube should serve higher than 320p video AND run decently well and not be a CPU hog.. but it IS down to your video card drivers and support

I checked on kernel 6.10.x with an EL8 userspace current release and youtube is acting .. well for a change on my end.

AxelS: so crashing websites.. is it related to recent Cloudflare issues?

I don't know...

so does it instacrash?

seems to work on linux

It seems to load scripts or similar and SeaMonkey is crashing, no responseing...

I was wondering that SeaMonkey is crashing, it's the latest version...

yeah i see it.. i'd have to do a build and get visual studio going.. ublock was on cause wrong window

On other browsers, no problem

AxelS: define "other browsers"

anyway yeah on linux it is locking up too

since the channel is logged it will be noted AxelS

Firefox, Edge and many more have no problems ;-)

firefox and edge covers everything modern that's important

anything other than safari is redundant

OK

well firefox and any one chrome browser.. then add seamonkey and something UXP based and that is your basic lot..

hey the watchdog DID eventually kick in to allow you to stop the script

what do you know

oh the unresponsive script box is unresponsive

yep this is one of THOSE

AxelS

and back and was able to stop it

grab you some ublock seems to block the offending script by default

I think so, a script will be loading and it doesn't work to stop... I try again ;-)

i managed it but it is just instinct on timing and behavior of a xul app when it does this.. takes practice

cpu hog for sure it's so slow man

dunno mate i'm using this link

I think, external scripts are chrashing for "wer-weiss-was.de" SeaMonkey...

is there any way to turn hardware acceleration on? maybe this would help

carl: let me get you some prefs..

layers.acceleration.enabled layers.acceleration.force-enabled layers.force-active layers.omtp.enabled webgl.force-enabled webgl.msaa-force

set each to true in about:config

carl:

ok let me give it a go.

restart seamonkey after setting all those

layers.acceleration.enabled

now if you start getting strange black boxes you will have to flip them back off manually in your profile

flip them all true

i only see forced enabled

then right click and add new bool pref

if it doesn't exist

okie! so... then you just exit afterwards? no need to click save anywhere?

brb

hello folks

check about:support see if the decision log and navigate to a few sites not youtube see if it is stable

Compositing at the top should say OpenGL and decision log should note the overrides

ignore WEBRENDERER

it is not used

for fun paste the description for GPU #1

too

compositing says OPENGL

yay

does it seem stable no black squares or artifacts?

when you open context or menubar menus browse point click on webpages

W_COMPOSITING

blocked by default: Acceleration blocked by platform

force_enabled by user: Force-enabled by pref

OPENGL_COMPOSITING

force_enabled by user: Force-enabled by pref

WEBRENDER

opt-in by default: WebRender is an opt-in feature

unavailable by runtime: Build doesn't include WebRender

OMTP

disabled by default: Disabled by default

available by user: Enabled via layers.omtp.enabled

how can I turn acceleration on ... browser is painfully slow.. also no option to go beyond 360p

it IS on now

oh my bad..

Linux has historically iffy support for gfx acceleration and mozilla was cautious about it

gotcha.. welp... still can't get beyond 360p can I send a photo?

NOW what does media say for audio backend just under what you pasted should be pulse or maybe pipewire-pulse

don't need to paste it

gotcha.

pulse-rust

gross but .. correct

gross?

maybe disable add ons? see if that helps?

er... safe mode?

nevermind.. oh youtube removed the html5 testing check.. which told you what video formats you support

nah

it did? ugh. i'm guessing it's a video formatting problem.. I have the same issue in opera browser, youtube vids don't even load

maybe missing codecs?

yeah

but i don't know if its libav or gstreamer ..

hm... let me give that a shot and report back....

it just worked for me LOL

libav?

ffmpeg whatever has that in it

but yeah codecs

is there a test site to see if my codecs are running by da browser?

but of course codecs will run like crap without acceleration so that is why I had you do that first

carl: used to be

youtube removed it

i dunno off hand of any

drag media files into the browser

that will do it

if it supports it it will play it not try and download it

so codecs are software driven? and... youtube uses html5 and seamonkey opelgl is hardware driven? sorry i'm not an expert brb

likely they need gstreamer

carl: gstreamer

make sure you have it

well. didn't work unfortunately

then maybe it magically works

gstreamer?

yeah dunno debian's packages but should be in there

gstreamer-qapt gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad

gstreamer1.0-adapter-pulseeffects gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad-apps

gstreamer1.0-alsa gstreamer1.0-plugins-base

gstreamer1.0-autogain-pulseeffects gstreamer1.0-plugins-base-apps

gstreamer1.0-clutter-3.0 gstreamer1.0-plugins-good

gstreamer1.0-convolver-pulseeffects gstreamer1.0-plugins-rtp

gstreamer1.0-crystalizer-pulseeffects gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly

gstreamer1.0-espeak gstreamer1.0-pocketsphinx

stop

gstreamer1.0-gl gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio

gstreamer1.0-gtk3 gstreamer1.0-python3-plugin-loader

gstreamer1.0-gtk4 gstreamer1.0-qt5

gstreamer1.0-libav gstreamer1.0-qt6

gstreamer1.0-libcamera gstreamer1.0-rtsp

ugh

gstreamer1.0-nice gstreamer1.0-tools

gstreamer1.0-opencv gstreamer1.0-vaapi

gstreamer1.0-packagekit gstreamer1.0-wpe

gstreamer1.0-pipewire gstreamer1.0-x

you're gonna flood out

which one there are so many

my bad, not sure what the proper etiquette is on these chats, I haven't used IRC since 1995

anything over 3 lines (if even that) you generally wanna "pastebin" or equivalent

hasn't changed much carl

ah ok, will do that next time my bad

it doesn't bother me so much but the network may autokick you

so which one do I install? maybe it will work after that who knows

libav

and whatever deps it pulls in

SHOULD do it

we hope

and various plugins

already installed

bad is ok it is just bad as in not-free

in the debian sense

HAHA!

ok lets try install gstreamer* maybe?

sure why no

not

terminal losing its mind, brb

250mb of madness

brb

oof.... doesn't work

any other ideas

i installed w64codecs_20071007-dmo2_amd64.deb

check on debian forums and venues maybe unless someone here has more experience.. I didn't have to go hunting for media deps for seamonkey cause other stuff already pulled them in

does debian not package seamonkey and set proper dependancies?

i don't think so I had to install the package separately.. as it isn't included on the distrubution

doubleclick ad serving code locks it up. No problem with uBlock and NpScript. Otherwise goes into a hard loop sucking up cpu an memory.

maybe some dependencies are missing? but.. probably not otherwise it wouldn't install seamonkey to begin with?

the auto update feature works too so.. no idea

On the latest Kubuntu, there's the same bug with as example "wer-weiss-was.de"... SeaMonkey is crashing again...

any other ideas?

i tried opera browser, same issue only 360p allowed

the only browser that works properly at 1080p is vivaldi

AxelS: yeah frg says its doubleclick serving up bad js

before he left

so that's the new strategy to block "niche" browsers? Serving broken JS recursive loops that will eventually cause your web browser to run out of resources?

oh wow, the hate from the industry is intense

we can't be sure THAT isn't just shitty javascript

from doubleclick.. they WANT people to see their ads

just how google ads keep working in everything possible

well, Doubleclick is Google Ads, so... yeah, they won't stop trying

thankfully those pests get zapped here even before they enter my LAN with DNS blocks, but they will keep trying over and over..

well unless the hate is overriding the ad business yeah

but what do I know.. I am just a browser toolbar

soon: Clownflare will run their own ad busines

CF may buy Mozilla..

once Mozilla's ad business is going

oof, that's cruel :D

Cloudflare Browser

I had completely forgotten that Mozilla is _now_ an ad biz

as a paid browser free with paid service.. and Mozilla Firefox the open source end..

that's bullshit speculation based on jack point shit but would it surprise you?

at this point in this brave new screwed up world, ANYTHING is possible

as someone said today on the Internet: "If Trump just got elected for a second term, then I believe anything"