onevoicecrm.my.site.com/usaspending/s/database-download using SeaMonkey that page seems to be just a blank page

No errors in the console

can someone who is an USA citizen download that for me?

Happy birthday Bill wherever you are

hi tobin of the day

generally same tobin i been all year .. which is a damn improvement vs last year and certainly years prior amd good morning frg_Away how are you?

tho was napping, now got sufficient sleep

nsITobin mostly ok :) Away two days and now updating systems

Linux needs a Patch Tuesday :D

yeah so i double checked its why I been so quiet reletively last several days.. pam and my script works.. it is vsftpd which seems barely pam capable.. oh it works well with pam_unix and pam_userdb.. any other pam module it either denies or pretends everything is a-ok.. Well I can play the manual game it is jus...

it is just less elegant and portable.. proftpd should work for this purpose but I am not familar with its setup.. and just want a solution done this week.. so.. but of course I have to make my code a little more resilliant to bs like this ;)

which I did

I need reentry protection for writing the file and really my pseudo-singleton modules should be proper singletons cause that is how they are treated just not structurally enforced. Now it extends an abstract singleton base class..

also take extra care cli routines cannot be triggered from the web.. and take care that the file can't be tricked into being read by web access.. and all should be peachy.. it just isn't as "sloppy" as simply using an sql database or reading content off disk..

tomman: doesn't rhel basically run by patch tuesday and fedora has patch everyday

(unless its a patch to fix something of course then it waits for refactors and replacements)

dunno, I'm on Debian, where all you get are "Surprise Patch Day"

tomman: extending classes is cool

LOL

real question is is it actually cool or do I think it is cool because it is working how I think it should and all is simply going well :P

greetings hardys

frg_Away: if you have a new 2.53.21pre win64 de for beta testing, can you send me a link for download :)

will do

thanks

hi nsITobin

hardys seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly…025/02/2025-02-09-00-00-00-comm-253

Unlike the official needs the runtime if you have not installed it.

nsITobin If you want you can delet the 06.02 build. Thanks alot again.

if the nightly store goes past the 20 gigs I have loosely set aside but I expect by the time that gets done anything relevant would be copied to the archive server by then

but yeah I'll update the symlink and create a cron job

some bash would be nice change of pace vs the php i been stairing at for days

plan to use this file as the input seafiles.thereisonlyxul.org/nightly/latest-nightlies.txt i can split that easily enough and run the command every .. hour or so ..

I think daily should be fine.

yeah just optimistic.. gotta take it where you cna get any you know

frg_Away: Danke, läuft

for the record it is ln -svnf target link for anyone who wants to play the move symlink game

awesome, TVTropes is now broken under SeaMonkey - trying to open the category folders on any article doesn't work

SyntaxError: '*[data-click-toggle][data-click-toggle-target]:not(#signup-form-toggles a)' is not a valid selector

the site throws a bunch of other JS errors, but that one only happens when clicking the folders

seems to be CSS selectors this time

hmm, seems to be the :not() function that is breaking here

:not(a) works, :not(#blah) works, but :not(#blah a) fails, despite being a valid expression

is it valid for sm's css parser?

yep, it seems we don't support nested selectors inside :not()

i can't find the bug but that behavior change landed in 84

w3.org/TR/selectors-4 ...which got ratified in... 2022

we need selectors level 4

checking for a UXP solution

This one... I can't really complain, it makes sense to allow nested selectors on pseudo-selectors

I can see uses for this

they don't have it

tomman: yeah but I am fairly sure we can't backport it without rust unless it was done purely in layout/style

rust

stylo

i betcha

oof

if we find the bug

it will be rust

there it is

doesn't even touch layout/style except for a test case

as expected

a six digit bug..

tomman: maybe we should start a wiki about OpenWeb Tropes..

then start listing sites and the tropes they pull

mozilla specifically waited until stylo to add layer 4 to :not

they waited YEARS

tells me it won't be trivial

Uh, where I can download Greasemonkey for Seamonkey?

it's not on the addons directory

first time ever I need its services~

good question

... someone in here has greasemonkey ..

unless it was you

therube last linked this tomman sourceforge.net/projects/gmport/files

ha, SourceForge :D

OK, let's restart~

thanks folks, that worked~

how functional is the extension?

took me a couple minutes on how to install a script, edited it, did what it was supposed to do

--to figure out how to

it should have a functional installtrigger of its own

but i dunno if sites bother with it or not

anymore

tomman: what userscript are you using?

needed this: whatsoftware.com/bypass-blogger-con…warning-on-offensive-blogspot-sites

specifically this: gist.github.com/obeattie/362589

(had to edit it since Blogger these days is HTTPS-only)

cool, if more web users were still like that.. we'd be in a lot better shape

in the past you could simply dismiss Blogger's agecheck by clicking the "Yes, I'm an adult" button

nowadays it requires a mandatory Google login

worse, it popups a Android-style dialog there

google ads saying my browser is out of date.. i thought we made that shit defacto illegal over a decade ago

oh god

speaking about that

I found a new Clownflare cockblocking display saying... exactly the same

"Your browser is out of date!"

pastebin.com/login example

WAIT

they REPLACED TURNSTILE WITH THAT LOCKSCREEN

WTF

Clownflare ESCALATED the war against us!?!?!?!

i long stopped using pastebin cause of cf shit and hell their serious business filter is way over senstive hard to paste any code with my uhh comments.. lol

yep, all those sites that were failing due to Turnstile breaking because lolBigInt now outright block us

How. Wonderful

they could have drawn a big fat dick too

yes

seems so

checking uxp

they instead now cause Pale Moon to go OOM

this is insanity

UXP.. not just Pale Moon lol

Pale Moon isn't even native code to UXP technically

While us Seamonkey get... a hard block

even disabling the Firefox token from the user agent doesn't help

tomman: confirmed oom for them.. tho OH i hit a breakpoint

and my vm just lost accelerated graphics

yeah, this is a deliberate criminal act

oh no

my vm is FUCKED

oof

OOF

not enough memory to crash and the video.. OH SHIT LOL

THEY FUCKED THE MOON HARD

so Pale Moon/UXP users get death penalty, SeaMonkey instead gets a brick wall

lovely

i have ... very conflicted feelings right now tomman

"Day 13 of the Clownflare Siege... the warfare acts escalated even higher this time"

yeah i dunno what to do about this vm

apparently they're blocking Opera too

which is odd since Opera is yet another Chrome fork

well, skin

THERE finally slipped a shutdown api call down its thoat

Supported browsers

If your visitors are using an up-to-date version of a major browser — such as Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Microsoft Edge, Chrome and Safari on mobile — they will receive the challenge correctly.

Challenges are not supported by Microsoft Internet Explorer.

If your visitors encounter issues using a major browser besides Internet Explorer, they should upgrade their browser.

no mention about "non-major browsers", of course

but it's pretty much official that even Chrome clones other than Chredge are not allowed anymore

as I foreseen

was only a matter of time

now .. will they be able to keep it up or have to start changing the game again

I find it interesting that this all escilated after I invaded the WHATWG and sepcifically called out quic cf and everything

after-around

I told them.. you've already signed your depercation notices.. because the fact the WhatWG exists means the established power structure can be endrun, bypassed, and subsumed.. All someone has to do is... do it.. AGAIN.

before i got banned

tomman: this siege is too specific .. twice now UXP was rendered crash-y by Cloudflare .. and for seamonkey users as you say they just get an out of date message .. they had to specifically make sure it worked with SeaMonkey and by the same token have made sure Pale Moon is crashing.. Opera? i dunno why they are after them it is just Chrome..

at this point looks like a vendetta against either Pale Moon or Moonchild, but given that they're now also blocking us AND even some Chrome skins... oof...

it PERFECTLY reflects the general viewpoints of both Pale Moon/UXP and SeaMonkey most have

this could be as well a very complex issue

but in any case, it's deliberate criminal action

tomman: Moonchild is a known queried individual in the DOJ case against Google..

I wasn't.. which is bullshit but okay.

Unfortunately given the current leaning of the actual USA administration, I see no legal avenue working here

I mean, remember that the entirety of Silly Con Valley suddenly flipped with Trump

and now... well, this

tomman: have they?

i been cut off

money has to be protected

and mainstream news isn't covering tech stories

except when elon is directly involved

which given Elon's new status as the President (Second) of the USA, well, it ensures him total air time

tomman: what are you seeing in silicon valley from your vantage point.. have they really flipped?

again, money speaks... and they know well of which Trump is capable of

they may have fought him during his first term, but now the times (and interests) are changed, to worse

Anyway, maybe it's time for another Hackernews plea for help?

or will be get buried faster this time?

well as a defective retard I was NEVER gonna rise to the top of anything in Final MAGA

news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43036593 and yet Chrome has gotten text rendering wrong under Windows, but they're now being praised for... a Edge bugfix?

tomman: Microsoft has been in defacto charge of chromium branch on windows since edge started.. it was all about first party cleartype support

that is WHY google went along with it

but Microsoft will kill google for us .. the seeds are already planted

but then...

all things considered.. The Paradigm was FAR better than Final MAGA and now big tech is swinging right or will as long as trump is in power?

swinging right with all the left's silencing technology

yeah I was conserned about that.. only hope now tomman is everything is so fragile and broken and unmaintainable that the new techright under techbro authority that it all falls apart in their hands..

so dystopic control or eventual collapse..

the best we can help (short of resorting to illegal moves) is for Clownflare to fail from its insides

or to get eaten by a Broadcom that starts dismantling them and selling the carcass for parts

tomman: illgeal? to whom.. the executive branch?

do you REALLY think that is a consern anymore?

it seems the block page I got served uses heavily obfuscated/encoded JavaScript

so the actual rejection message is rendered client-side

but no JavaScript errors

so it seems that this time it checks the browser version somehow even before attempting to load Turnstile

and since they know that it's going to fail here, they instead assume I'm running Firefox 3.6 on Windows XP, basically

yeah

tomman: and what is wrong with that? We could sec patch the HELL out of 3.6 and it would be safe just not very useful

Well, it was a saying

they assume "this must be a ancient Firefox version, because there is no way in hell a Firefox fork or Gecko-based browser can exist in 2025"

i dunno tho its hard to predict stuff when everyone's motivations for doing shit are being mass altered

i am guessing more than predicting based on older trends that haven't skewed yet

FrankLion: any corrections :P

I'm embrasing em lol

Corrections about what? I haven't read the log stuff yet.

heh how you been FrankLion?

Fine, although I'm missing my Protonmail, Ebay and IMDB on SM, which I notice are all working fine on that damn PM

FrankLion: check the log.. cloudflare's assult seems specifically geared to crash Pale Moon .. twice now a cf changes has caused crashy issues for the moon people.. if we're honest this is broadly how people treat Pale Moon vs SeaMonkey.. one needs killed with fire and the other is just old netscape..

yesterday's drama is tomorrow's weapon of war

i been saying that since 2014

there is a difference though Pale Moon may be able to do some modern web but it is by no means complete.. all webcompat is treated on a majority usage in the wild basis NOT parity..

while when SeaMonkey gets updates its gonna be roughly Mozilla eq

Hmm, CF seem to be up to something, that's for sure.

SM is a far better 'user experience' than PM

currently Pale Moon and UXP are still the most antithetical threat to the openweb narrative and the coming authoritarian crackdown.. they are authoritarians they understand how to navigate.. they been on their own under attack since before I even started.. Their extermination is top priority for anyone not wanting a world wide web.. SeaMonkey is second.. I am third.. no one else will go far enough off script to matter.

well no one until someone does that is

which I hope a lot will

antithetical and top threat*

FrankLion: Pale Moon's eroded Firefox 4ish UX is something I always hated.

people didn't want the 4ish ux they wanted the 2/3 style.. why do you think there are so many firefox 1 2 and 3 skins.. because Pale Moon default is horrible.. it was when it was Firefox imo

and failing that.. people depserately wanted my Navigator for its polished up power user communicator UI style.. enough to steal it my branding etc and call it their own.. There is a fork of Borealis and also a full suite using some Borealis fixups on UXP.. it's clear.. the amount of comm-code with mail suite and downstream for vaporware.. SeaMonkey rocks and everything touched by Mozcorp sucks..

I'm biased but neither Firefox nor PM ever seemed to understand what good themes are about, let alone make them

FrankLion: Default theme? Firefox 2 was spiffy

Meh

better than IE

:P

better than Chrome

better than anything OTHER than SeaMonkey today

bbl

garry.net/posts/the-death-of-the-web the web has been dead for way too long, dude~

back

garry newman and his boyfriend are fairly scuffed

he's gone from ranting about Unity Engine to, apparently, now things even MORE above his head

why is this site setup like webmail

this looks terrible

the shitbag is complaining about everything that has made him and his Facepunch Studios filthy rich

this design is death of the web

prick through and through that's fors ure

Ximo: so tl;dr he knows how the web died cause he helped

not sure he "helped" because that would imply too much credit.... Rust/Garry's Mod isn't really that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things

most people don't even know what that is

rust is gonna kill the c language if people don't watch out

see what I mean? heh