frg_Away: I don't have enough time in the day.. i need to cut leg quarters up into legs and thighs cause 1.25 a pound is better than 1.67 a pound when it's 8 cuts total.. also need to bag up this pork steak for cold storage.. but I also want to do php and poke at the suite code

I am however trying a few combos to see which processor vs core combo gets me the fastest compile time while still leaving enough resources to do text editing chatting music etc ..

on my VMs

for efficiency

that will leave enough time in between to do other tasks as well

Between 8 and 16GB is the sweet spot. 8 full cores and high clock arre also liked.

Disable hyperthreading

I only got 6 cores with 2 threads each

maybe I too will have an outdated server that outperforms most contemporary machines in raw compuational power like everyone else.. that is if I can stop spending resources on more screens

MORE SCREENS

highest count you can do. Hyperthreading might slow it down if the vm scheduler is not smart. vbox isn't. The context switches/saves kill the performance.

VMWare on average is only SLIGHTLY slower maybe 5-10 min off compiling mozilla code from bare metal but bare metal has direct core access and all of em or at least 10 of em.. on windows.. on Linux vmware running windows.. its better.. kvm would be the fastest with a few tweaks i'd have to dig out of my brain but i wouldn't have half-way decent video acceleration

vmware on linux is slightly faster than vmware on windows

when running windows

I never measured native vs. vbox

need to setup chroots like I did before that helped on linux.. cause I don't need to run the full os for building

let's hope the ol battle computer can survive this administration cause the likelyhood of a new machine has plumited

how long is the actual compile time under Windows inclzuding packaging en-US

for me it is around 40ish on windows vm the rust cycle is way slower than cpp

but that may have improved since i switched to EL8 as a host

less garbge in the way

vs fedora 39

This system was specifically built with el8 in mind it is no wonder it is thriving on it

back in 2018

Not that bad compared to my 27 or so

oddly enough linux on a windows vmware host builds half the speed as windows bare metal

regardless of the era of tree

uxp sm central

roughly speaking give or take five minutes

in my experience as well

io under Windows s*cks

vmware musta found some hacks cause IO is more efficient inside a linux vm than the windows host

Tried refs for sports but gave up after formatting. Blocking was so bad it filled up the disk fast.

so ntfs it is for now

be careful switching back and forth between 7 and after 7 regarding ntfs especially windows 10

microsoft doesn't much care about forwards compat not that they did but they quit messing with it for a long time so it always worked

no problem in the last 5 years.

well maybe i should say.. drives formatted with newer windows

save vista symlinks ntfs compat issues haven't been a thing since the 90s sucks it has cropped up more often in the past decade and microsoft tells no one

I always cold boot Windows. Hibenation off via powercfg. Still no problem wrt formatting.

Recycle bin might be reported corrupt if you remove it from a different verison but that is self repaired

yeah

that's always fun

gitlab wip synced with 2.53 and a nighty night to all

rest well

first test was 2 processors 4 cores each this test is 1 processor 8 cores

also rhetorical political question: Why is trump trying to cut off basic infrastructure building supplies coming in when the ONE GOD DAMN THING HE IS HALF WAY GOOD AT IS BUILDING GOD DAMNED BUILDINGS

but that's the maximum extent i am gonna allow it to be in my awareness.. got work to do

nsITobin hi

oh Google, please serve me a extra heavy dose of Recaptcha hell today because 1) you hate SeaMonkey, 2) you hate CGNAT, and 3) you hate me, pretty please~?

dpaste.org half the time doesn't even GENERATE the captcha

even on edge

its going off the rails

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

frg_Away: good morning

just dealing with cats and chores aboot to get ready to either do this ftp thing or more likely the not-wiki thing either way its same basic work panel.. settings, sql will be copied to the other

frg_Away: did you know classes extending other classes need compatible method signatures?

I did but I just encountered it cause hadn't done it before

nsITobin despite all the backports I seldom have time to actuall look at the stuff in detail so I stay at average programmer level at best.

Don't like it.

then again how close would you be looking if it was just business as useal with m-c chugging along

.. bustages

that's how close and not much different now except a time consuming slog instead of reactionary fixes

its now a slog AND fixes

either way its impressive if a bit hard to grasp in its entirety

it's*

took me a while to get a handle on what exactly you were doing .. now i want mq everywhere

funny that frg_Away

I have a good overall knowledge and usually know where to tinker but that is it about.

yeah mq is a deal breaker when working with patches.

Saves me / us countless hours. 2.53 would not exist otherwise I think.

i think half my knowledge is simply osmosis from being in contact with it day in and day out.. still can't code C++ worth a crap but I am edging into xpcom components from again mere exposer

I kinda imagine the codebase like a city

it's large enough..

over there is xpcom.. down town is dom.. etc

spidermonkey is that highway system that is never finished and constantly changes its design midway through

with three peers watching some contributor dig a hole

that is a little .. too apt LOL

no one goes to xpfe anymore.. barely even any homes still standing.. xpinstall wiped off the map.. yep its a city with suburbs and city like functions and people that work on it

and live in it

well seems in terms of cores vs cpus on vmware it doesn't matter not for the purposes of compiling mozilla code.. I already know I can build UXP on Windows 7 with only 12gbs of ram to keep enough practical headroom.. seamonkey and windows 10 do better at 16 gig .. in a vm setting -jN is kinda pointless cause why not use all the vm has..

Linux on VMWare which again only really makes sense on windows host.. only requires 6gbs with MATE as a de to compile uxp.. again seamonkey needs 8gbs.. modern mozilla would like all of it of course.

12 might be better if rustc is having a bad day

... that's my basic analysis

Under Windows the linker seems to like the most ram for libxul

sorry had to go to the store again i needed more soda

I am just gonna barely squeak by..

pop makes the soda

i mean resource wise that is why I was able to go get a couple of 2lts and I need the soda to turn into code

I usually use coffee for this

well i would too but i need it to be half cream and sugar ..

LOL

just give me a splash of coffee with my cream of sugar please

i can only assume its my brain at fault..

i mean really isn't everything

but yeah i need raw brain fuel

or a drug that poorly simulates it like caffine

preferably both

there is ZERO nutritional value in the artificially sweetened acid water i been drinking last several years

frg_Away: any build system changes recently that I might run into?

nsITobin nothing in 2.53

frg_Away: seamonkey builds 2 minutes slower on windows 10 than uxp does on windows 7

~35 minutes

Was longer here. Maybe Defender related.

nsITobin did you remove all vctip.exe?

defender doesn't exist in my windows installs

hmm vctip

oh that thing

hmm can you disable it?

I still maintain windows 7 is the best linux desktop environment I have tried yet

don't think so. Phone home stuff. I just deleted all of them. Pop up now and then again after an update. Also if you don't use the ide kill everything in ServiceHub and under team tools there is a also a phone home dir.

frg_Away: need to see if your current code can pick up buildtools automatically rather than a fully installed visual studio..

i figure it should the fix i used to do it came from mozilla

i mean unless you run the debugger you don't need the whole ide.. and my debugging skills are almost non-existant..

yes wanted to check but so far no time. Have the offline install here. Also the VS2019 compiler in 2022 until 2022 is fixed.

Did the same with 2.49 and VS2019.

I did figure out how to tell the installer for 2022 to install 17.6 LTSC on winders 7

must be a similar command for the 2019 installer

did it with a with directive in 2.49

and I have misplaced the installer

building on Windows sounds very complicated compared to building on Linux

well mozbuild vs and dx days are partly over due to build system .. uhh upgrades we will call them

the basic proceedure as long as artifiacts are available are to get 115, bootstrap it.. then get sm sources vs2019 and boot.. though all that is REALLY needed on winders is nasm and a few others at the CURRENT state of development.. I need to see if they can be made to fall back to mozillabuild paths cause if I can just produce a custom mozillabuild with updated deps then that makes it a lot easier on windows more akin to what everyone is used to.

theoretically build deps for seamonkey on linux should be in every package manager but that does make it more .. well configure dep hunt than grab and build and maybe that's okay..

rust cbindgen nasm and something else.. also on linux.. mac cross compile artifacts last i checked

minimum in a MOZBUILD_STATE_DIR

for seamonkey 253

well ok rust would be where rust lives not in the statedir

clang cbindgen nasm and node for some reason.. node isn't used in seamonkey compilation .. not yet anyway

... where is the logo

fixed

yay, logo is back :)

nsITobin done

see private room

oh no

OOOOH NO

loadAsHtml5

its a single flag

it is*

ima pref it see what happens .. FOR FUN

hi all

hello grey_gandalf

hi

anyone here expert in building from sources? I just tried and failed...

but used to be able...

wrote a mail, but I know the list is not very active... so maybe here

definitely something changed, since "mach build" doesn't work for me. What's this new of "mach bootrap" ?

when was the last time you successfully built?

what platform compiler?

last time was 2.53.18...

FreeBSD

but I think my issue is mach / python

I usually just have a .mozconfig in the root and then do a "mach build"

Maybe check Bug 1939376

I have python 3.11

"mach build" says to run "mach bootstrap" which I du but fails

mach boostrap fails. Try mach create-mach-environment or use set MACH_USE_SYSTEM_PYTHON=1 before invoking mach.

use 3.9 if you can get it.. seems to be smoother for me anyway

3.11 should work

oh, I was setting MACH_USE_SYSTEM_PYTHON wrong. I have to setenv it before running mach

let me try 3.11, although I still have 3.9 apparently

yes before

I use setenv for it

I tried on the command line or inside .mozconfig....

yay, confiure went on! retucilating splines (why that absurd status?)

now the hard work begins

remind me to make a patch to expand that to multiple random phrases

grey_gandalf: The Sims is why

for that

We will probably never get mach bootstrap to work but for now we left it in and update it.

SO yes I can basically kill html leaving xhtml perfectly fine.. with this terrible hack.. BUT it busts about:blank cause about:blank isn't valid xml

grey_gandalf: alt solutions should come and if not the mozbuild situation shall improve.. one of those WILL happen

frg_Away: if we are not using node for anything we should really patch out the dependancy until we need it

nsITobin it is for linting. I leave it in but see that it is not needed for normal building.

don't forget to clean the trap when you are done..

nsITobin: thanks.. didn't play sims or such, so didn't know the jargon. I was left at the original SimCity on i386

it triggers some people

like legit

that phrase

mach created its configuration directory, must be a new thing... was not used before and is not needed in ArcticFox

grey_gandalf: why do you think something tycho based would be a comparison to seamonkey lol

we are talking about a difference of like 18 versions before the patch queue

not much tycho based anymore...lilek 10 releases difference in ArcticFox nowadays

ArcticFox is a Pale Moon 27 fork that started their own backport from mozilla march but they don't mess with the build system much

can't say I like this but came with the backports. We try to get at least to full 102.

but also, 2.53.18 didn't need it either, maybe 2.53.19 either.. don't remember, I think I was able to start building and broke inbetween

grey_gandalf: consider this.. ArcticFox would not exist if not for me.

;)

you're welcome

there would be no tycho and Pale Moon 27 to fork

not much different than cyberfox 38 anyway

grey_gandalf: there were build system upheavials during 19

seems largely settled now

so once you get it back down it should be fine for you

Ah the memories from better times: ibb.co/n8t9TFY

nice screenshot

in a vbox

so yeah the html5 parser is a god damned hack always was and still is even in mozilla-central.. i mean it being java codegened was a clue but yeah i just looked how it is hooked up .. it's trash

true, matt forked PM 27... but my work is to continually axe things in everything which is core and build system. So really, it is more some sort of Firefox with PaleMoon inside than the otherway

grey_gandalf: ahem.. please

BUT

I went down to compare very single file in the source and build tree, so I know the differences

frg: yes, on OS/2! :) :)

I am glad it continues to be useful.. Tycho was cut down by the very forces that push webstandards today.. Tycho could have been every bit the platform UXP became.. but that and conflict really cut Tycho short.. I put a lot of work into it for Pale Moon

same sorts of conflict that tainted uxp and all that.. so glad something of that whole decade survives and has found its own path

without all that trash implcitly attached

if Tycho is like Gecko, the "core", then essentially litlte is left, but some stuff is still there. It improved *a lot*

what I dislike that I bastardized the appearance a bit. UXP essentially.. I loved the old PM27 look and I kept it, but only partially. Somebody helping there would be so cool

although I just always liked SeaMonkey

Aurora was bearable, Quantum Terrible... and current Firefox seems made by rabid monkeys

seamonkey isn't something you can force into a bunch of alien boxes .. you can't force its evolution you can't half-ass your way through it.. the suite is simply not that forgiving unlike later mozilla code .. project association code its self.. and believe me I have tried ;)

But.. for me I don't like seamonkey to "change". It is interface is almost "perfect" except some missing details

but well, the gecko inside needs update... HTML and JS

grey_gandalf: you haven't git no mans land have you in your backports where rust and codegen start taking a primary role?

hit*

codegen is my nightmare in ArcticFox, I had to update it... backporting stuff untill... it worked again

rust, please, stay way

one of the workst decisions by mozilla... it sandboxed itself and gave way more space to chrome and derivatives

it brings me a sense of unexpected joy that you are succeeding at your project based on stuff I did once.. Thank you.