13:19:20 How are you holding up frg_Away? 13:20:39 nsITobin life goes on but still sad. Need to think about where to do prereleaee and maybe comm-central buils now. azureis slowwww and costly. 13:21:23 the actual tangible building? 13:21:54 yes from the central 253 and wip queues. 13:22:33 we can probably publish 2.53 and wip on azure now and then. 13:25:52 I have enough boxes to do it but not the time really :( 13:26:05 I wouldn't suggest PAYING for azure time for central anyone can build that else mozilla can't dev 13:26:47 yeah we want it at lest building but not costly. 14:20:13 Sorry frg_Away I was just reviewing the internet archive. windows/linux for i686 and x86-64 plus macintosh plus langpacks for rel/git prelease and mq wip builds .. and battling central 14:27:57 frg_Away: build wise quirks not withstanding mac is most difficult to source with 32bit linux being a close second. Windows is trivial and linux 64 is doable for about anyone. Building the whole deal on a frequent basis is also a challenge including langpacks etc 14:32:41 Is an apple build server you can rent even a thing and even if it is would it even be remotely affordable 14:42:35 nsITobin mac is not a problem. Linux x86 is more but now Io think its really time to cut the x86 prerelease builds 14:44:26 Speaking of x86, what's the minimum supported CPU for those these days? 14:44:34 as in "what feature sets are enforced by the compiler" 14:44:48 mozilla standard and former UXP standard was sse2 minimum 14:45:00 dunno today 14:45:30 still sse 2 I think but anything below core 2 duo and 4 GB is self torture 14:46:01 and if you need all 4GB, you have no choice but to go 64-bit 14:46:15 you can't do the web on those specs i can BARELY watch the youtube on my 2014 hp elitebook craptop 14:46:20 fortunately Intel doesn't sell new x86 consumer CPUs.. right? 14:46:29 And Win10 32-bit goes EOL next October 14:46:43 tomman: October 2025 14:46:50 or 2026? 14:46:54 14 October 2025 14:46:57 tomman: go 64-bit with a chipset that doesn't prevent more than 4GiB RAM. I'm not that happy to know this, no. 14:47:00 ...curiously a Patch Tuesday 14:47:04 you can go to seamonkey-project.org binaryoutcast.com thereisonlyxul.org and maybe a few other low bandwith sites JUST fine on old hardware .. at seamonkey's CURRENT code level.. but beyond that you're kinda screwed 14:47:08 njsg: eww i945 :P 14:47:11 Anyone using Win 10 x86 needs its head examined. 14:47:31 tomman: hey, it's the only decent laptop I have! (and it's quite good at that) 14:47:41 I think I've seen only ONE Win10 32-bit setup in the wild 14:47:48 windows vista and 8x users are gonna become JUST like XP users give it a few more years 14:47:49 and it was one of those force-ugpraded Win7 boxes 14:47:52 so Win 10 IA-32 goes EOL before NT 6.1 amd64? 14:48:01 that had the wrong Windows version installed 14:48:29 windows 7 users shouldn't be terrible.. cause insane windows 7 holdouts are illogical when 7 is just vista 14:48:32 i965+ otherwise you are screwed anyway. 14:48:40 njsg: eh, that one went EOL in 2020.... unless if I'm unaware of some still maintained SKU for embedded? 14:48:42 tomman: not sure if better or worse than browsing the linux menuconfig and wondering why it was showing PAE options for amd64 and realizing I had installed the IA-32 option 14:48:47 Win 10 will get esu too. 14:49:06 tomman: isn't it still getting updates? 14:49:20 not at all, except for the antimalware scanner thing 14:49:34 ah, MRT 14:49:39 if not buy a cheap server 2019 or 2022 and be happy. 14:49:57 i need to get that server license code 14:50:10 maybe in march 14:50:12 and I'm not even sure if those finally stopped being shipped to 7 users, I haven't checked lately despite still having W7 setups here (mostly dormant, of course) 14:50:34 legacyupdate is best for windows 7 14:50:42 no idea about 7, while I've been dealing with 7 more lately, my NT 6.1 would usually be a 2008R2 install 14:50:47 7 has not been shipped for a long time 14:50:49 my w7redux cd has enough integrated to make it less painful 14:50:55 I did booted my oldest W7 setup in late December, and that one didn't prompted me for updates 15:03:57 I need to see if I have any key for newer than 2008R2, but I'm guessing if so it's the server version before 2019 15:30:47 nsITobin see private chat 15:30:59 hold on i may have it all on ignore 17:06:08 news updated https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ 17:06:10 Still sad 17:14:45 extremely 17:36:20 Rest In Peace~ 21:30:41 tomman the fun thing is that Vista x86 is still updated via orginal Server 2008. Didn't try it. 21:31:15 wat, I thought that both 2008 and 2008 R2 (which is 7) were both dead 21:36:42 it's complicated 21:36:44 lol 21:48:35 tomman no supported till 2026 with esu premium assurance but not for mere mortals. They need a hack :) 21:48:58 haaaaaaaacck 21:48:59 Same for 8.1 and 2012 R2 21:49:09 have to say it like that or the hack doesn't work ;) 22:59:48 AAAAAGH CLOWNFLAAAAAAAARE 23:00:14 I'm trying to reset my password at Danbooru, which of course uses goddamned Clownflare Turnsickle, which keeps failing All. The. Time. 23:00:44 the usual trick of "threat it with the inspector" is not helping this time, as while it makes the checkbox render, it... fails the check, always 23:01:22 so this also means it's now impossible to login to Danbooru too, since the logon form has the moronic Clownflare Turnsick craptcha of doom 23:01:34 sent some extremely nice feedback to them involving a future president 23:02:51 Oh, and this time not only the craptcha fails, it also triggers the debugger if you have devtools open 23:03:56 this being clowdflare, how likely is it that they've screwed something up that's unrelated to locking browsers out? 23:07:20 FINALLY, after ~20 attempts and two different computers 23:07:42 the goddamned Turnsuck agreed that yes, I'm a human being, with flesh, bones, and sexual organs 23:45:29 and of course, at another channel I got told to pound sand, to "test in Chrome or my complaint is invalid", and to stop bitching about Clownflare and Google because it's a "Me" problem 23:45:35 oh Internet... 23:45:47 we're getting more and more hopeless as a society every day 23:51:26 Well the linux foundation is now goign into bed with Chromium. What do you expect? 23:55:38 "it's a you problem, your complaint is invalid CLOSED WONTFIX USECHROME BITCHAWAY"