11:38:47 <njsg> tomman: you mean 8 addresses for the whole town!?
11:38:53 <njsg> also happy holidays .*
11:40:37 <njsg> tomman: I can still get OWA
11:41:38 <njsg> at least the one at https://outlook.office.com/owa
13:25:13 <tomman> njsg: actually it's two cities
13:25:20 <tomman> about ~1000 subscribers or so
13:25:45 <tomman> in fact the /29 is subleased from their upstream ISP, so that explains why they can't even offer static IPs for sale
13:26:06 <tomman> But to be fair, ALL of our fiber telcos enforce CGNAT jail here
13:26:27 <tomman> they also refuse to deploy v6
13:27:04 <tomman> And since their custmomer base is "Netflix and socials", why would they (or their users) care? We nerds can go pound sand elsewhere
14:14:04 <nsITobin> welp i figured out why there even is a gfx blacklist and vendor whitelisting.. to cut down on unimportant telemetry reports
14:14:11 <nsITobin> says so on the wiki
14:19:21 <Harzilein> [[the wiki]]?
14:19:24 <nsITobin> anyway.. looking into the patch for crypto uuid the mozilla form.. yeah the refactoring just unified OS getting it was already doing it that way before
14:19:43 <Harzilein> :3
14:21:15 <nsITobin> really the refactoring can be split from adding it to dom cause the dom parts are basically the same vs UXP's impl they just didn't bother refactoring cause it really isn't related to exposing the api
14:24:11 <nsITobin> i dispise refactoring WHILE exposing an existing function.. they should be two seperate issues
14:34:41 <nsITobin> frg_Away: SO i found a bug whitelisting vmware's video driver so that it can get acceleration and shit.. I tested it on UXP and prelem tests show full functionality from webgl to video playback.. gonna apply it to seamonkey see if I get the same results.. ONE of the most difficult issues with pre-webrender mozilla code is testing on more than the platform you run on.. Having acceleration capability in VMWare allows a good messure of what would
14:34:41 <nsITobin> normally BE bare metal testing in a VM though it by no means eliminates it
14:37:36 <nsITobin> as far as I know, unaccelerated codepaths are unlikely to be maintained very well certainly Mozilla patches aren't looking out for it since they got a software compositor added ..
14:39:39 <nsITobin> could also add parelles but .. i don't have it and i don't think many people who would use seamonkey would be using it.. But VMWare currently is free and aside from some legacy hardware support for guests isn't QUITE ruined YET..
14:40:40 <nsITobin> also if it works for seamonkey as well it has no impact anywhere else its just permitting vmware to have acceleration
15:19:10 <nsITobin> Harzilein: what do you think?
15:47:28 <nsITobin> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429587
15:51:52 <Harzilein> nsITobin: regarding the "exercise acceleration code paths" bit? or regarding whatever the url might contain? (i don't have timestamps, i need some "→" action ;)
15:52:23 <Harzilein> ah, the url is about that too :)
15:52:27 <nsITobin> ye
15:52:47 <Harzilein> bookmarked it, still have a bit on my plate for today :)
15:53:47 <nsITobin> once I get the patch queue applied I'll give it the same basic workout as before .. I do know having VMWare whitelisted helps my development a lot I don't have to switch environments for NEARLY anything if accel works in vm
15:53:56 <Harzilein> i _was_ listening up re: parallels. it's not as niche as one thinks. many large organizations have that to accomodate vendor support situations around their enterprisey stuff.
15:54:42 <Harzilein> rarely for development stuff, but of course seamonkey isn't meant _just_ for dogfooding among vendors :)
15:55:02 <nsITobin> does the industry still consider seamonkey to be enterprise worthy considering their standards are so inverted with chrome's bs
15:55:56 <Harzilein> _support_ standards certainly have changed when shops outsourced their it support.
15:56:22 <nsITobin> by all messures SeaMonkey has the basis of enterprise built into its very design.. so i get it i just question /current/ relevance .. I really dislike pushing or doing changes that I can't test
15:56:26 <Harzilein> but not every shop's is now tata's or whatever's ;)
15:56:33 <Harzilein> every shop's it
15:56:35 <Harzilein> *
15:58:07 <Harzilein> thunderbird _and_ mozilla alas haven't kept up with fancier data stores, indexing story isn't so good. hard to sell seamonkey's "groupware" to my SME buddies if there's no real improvement to what they have.
15:58:23 <Harzilein> over what they have*
15:59:21 <nsITobin> anyone who uses Thunderbird is effectivly in a "groupware" situation anyway now because of all the bloat.. it would BE a suite if it had a free navigation component added
15:59:45 <nsITobin> meaning unless they need something thunderbird does that seamonkey can't.. seamonkey is the objective winner
16:00:03 <nsITobin> ;)
16:02:58 <nsITobin> how about THAT logic Harzilein
16:03:09 <frg_Away> tomman seems ewong was able to fix the beta downlosads
16:07:02 <nsITobin> good morning frg_Away
16:07:51 <Harzilein> nsITobin: i'm pretty meh about thunderbird too. and indeed, istr. stuff like lotus had some sort of (limited capability) generic browser.
16:08:40 <nsITobin> mq is slow on a windows 10 vm
16:09:09 <Harzilein> lotus is a fun bit, last shop where i temped in it had some senior diehards that at least fought to keep their _lotus_ when everything moved to o365
16:10:15 <Harzilein> i don't particularly like lotus specifically, but the fact that in such an org such niches _can_ be preserved gives me hope :)
16:10:23 <nsITobin> this next year I will obliterate my google apps account i will loose my indiana phone number my gmail but i did get my youtube shit transfered also i would be more upset about loosing my android purchases but android 13+ rendered 90% of what I owned uninstallable
16:10:52 <nsITobin> un-installable*
16:10:56 <nsITobin> non?
16:11:02 <nsITobin> whichever flows better
16:13:46 <Harzilein> nōn ;)
16:14:07 <Harzilein> (a marabilos-ism if you aren't yet familiar :D
16:14:56 <Harzilein> mirabilos*
16:16:12 <nsITobin> i just think its funny any Windows VM logged in as me with my password has higher access to the host filesystem over samba than my linux user.
16:16:26 <nsITobin> running the VM
16:17:20 <nsITobin> This does not quite meet the "Linux NT" vision I have but it will do for now lol
16:21:17 <nsITobin> which one was telling me about the wayland ua issue
16:21:21 <nsITobin> was it tomman or Sompi
16:22:03 <Harzilein> at some point when i lived in the most "lan party" environment yet (no permanent participation in enterprisey environments), i stopped participating in the samba stuff. i.e. when webdav took off, some of us moved to that.
16:23:29 <nsITobin> except for not knowing how to actually broadcast my system as a Windows Machine so i can get to it from My Network Places aside from via ip address samaba works so much better than windows to windows smb
16:25:04 <Harzilein> i have the reverse situation at one of my makerspaces (which also isn't tied to any kind of active directory or w/e). i really just want to do name resolution. in windows parlance: entering \\servername (which apparently happens to be a DFS root) should always work.
16:25:43 <nsITobin> i could do HOSTS sure
16:26:16 <nsITobin> i think its WINS or WINBIND or some shit
16:26:24 <Harzilein> lots of software that has a "smb vfs plugin" apparently can't cope with that setup. or appliances. kodi, my panasonic tv...
16:26:29 <nsITobin> i dunno .. my ip is always 10.0.0.200 so meh
16:26:55 <nsITobin> i have assigned that IP to my main system since 2004
16:26:56 <Harzilein> they always expect there to be shares to browse, not for the hostname to be a dfs root
16:27:41 <nsITobin> the coolest thing is in a windows vm accessing an sshfs mount over samba and it doesn't fuck up
16:44:45 <nsITobin> frg_Away: https://i.ibb.co/5kNLNWJ/image.png
16:44:47 <nsITobin> sigh
16:45:36 <nsITobin> wip patch queue
17:01:42 <frg_Away> long gone
17:01:49 <nsITobin> ?
17:01:58 <frg_Away> the option
17:02:43 <frg_Away> --disable-mailnews
17:02:49 <nsITobin> wait
17:02:53 <nsITobin> seriously
17:03:01 <nsITobin> that its in there
17:03:21 <frg_Away> probably in the mozconfig
17:03:42 <frg_Away> unknown options cause an error since about 50 something or even before
17:03:43 <nsITobin> well then the error reporting seems busted cause i don't see where it is bitching about it tho i know it will cause it doesn't know
17:04:26 <frg_Away> stated unknown option in the screenshot
17:04:57 <nsITobin> I see it now
17:05:35 <nsITobin> must be more async than it used to normally there wouldn't be any output past that save the traceback and the traceback error ultimently isn't that but mach failing to execute.. i see it now tho
17:11:22 <nsITobin> frg_Away: what about the python failures for those setuptools commands
17:11:44 <nsITobin> do i need to swap out python in mozillabuild for newer?
17:14:10 <nsITobin> https://dpaste.org/dzwOi/raw
17:21:48 <frg_Away> nsITobin neesds 3.7 minimum.
17:22:06 <frg_Away> 3.12 is broken
17:22:34 <tomman> frg_Away: beta downloads confirmed working, thanks~
17:23:39 <frg_Away> nsITobin. Need to go bbl
17:29:50 <nsITobin> right..
17:32:10 <nsITobin> it is 3.7.9
17:32:22 <nsITobin> this is windows mozillabuild 3.4
20:26:17 <frg> nsITobin I use export MACH_USE_SYSTEM_PYTHON=1 in the build script. Not seeing the warning. I have updated the mozbuild too with a later python from mozbuild 4 and nsis 3.08 but shouldn't matter.
21:27:23 <nsITobin> ill update python and see after this current task is done