02:30:12 <nsITobin> ALL WHATWG MEMBERS SUFFER FROM attention deficit hypertext activity disorder SO SAYS THE ME!
11:10:21 <njsg>  7clrh
11:10:41 <njsg> well well, more coffee, less spaces, and more shift on the seven
14:52:08 <Sompi> why almost every webpage spams the browser console full of some weird "Port opened ... Port closed" lines
14:52:17 <Sompi> This started just some weeks ago
14:59:01 <nsITobin> i want to know why seamonkey's add-ons manager just did a search request on all my installed extensions
14:59:10 <nsITobin> not an update request a search request
14:59:24 <nsITobin> of course it failed cause thunderbird is sending json back
15:00:31 <nsITobin> they must have at some point rewrote the API without bumping the endpoint version because amov4 api expects json
15:01:08 <nsITobin> feels very 2014 and 2018 right now looking at this and I don't .. like it.
15:01:36 <tomman> needs moar JSON
15:01:54 <nsITobin> still doesn't answer WHY the add-ons manager issued an unsolicited search query.. UXP doesn't do that. and I didn'
15:02:11 <nsITobin> t open the add-ons manager so it isn't discover pane telemetry
15:44:41 <nsITobin> anyone ever read https://www.w3.org/2019/04/WHATWG-W3C-MOU.html
15:45:11 <nsITobin> https://www.w3.org/2021/06/WHATWG-W3C-MOU_2021_update.html
15:46:06 <nsITobin> THIS is why we need a new protocol
15:50:38 <nsITobin> the entire suite of web technology is transfered to whatwg
15:50:52 <nsITobin> whatwg is just corperations..
15:50:55 <nsITobin> not people
15:51:03 <nsITobin> not users.. investors
15:51:17 <nsITobin> there is no standards body for the web..
15:57:02 <nsITobin> the fact whatwg pricably operates off github means MICROSOFT gets to decide who can participate in standards
15:57:05 <nsITobin> of which I can't
15:57:07 <nsITobin> now
16:00:18 <nsITobin> people always go on about how ignorant i sound (outside of here) the point is i only learn what I need to because if I learn it all I will A) have an opinion on it and B) likely be pissed off about it.
16:00:35 <nsITobin> and C try and change it.
16:02:52 <nsITobin> learning == conflict
16:08:12 <tomman> I thought WhatWG was "Google and some partners" :D
16:08:38 <nsITobin> Google yeah but Google isn't in the best position going forward..
16:08:43 <nsITobin> remember the DOJ shit
16:09:16 <nsITobin> Microsoft has been pushing more and more on the whole AI and http/3 etc
16:09:31 <nsITobin> google gets anything microsoft does for free
16:09:43 <nsITobin> and microsoft can do it because google is now the fall guy
16:10:04 <nsITobin> I told you months ago that Microsoft is making a lot of familar moves
16:10:12 <nsITobin> in impl and in the ether
16:11:07 <tomman> be glad Oracle doesn't contribute to the web standards, or we would be all slaves for Larry :D
16:12:10 <nsITobin> I have a theory.. if Google goes down Mozilla will be flooded with employees .. as an ad company and the even still but just barely superior technology.. Mozilla is google powered direct google no longer exists.. Microsoft has a browser engine and web dominance.. and ibm has an operating system
16:12:19 <nsITobin> welcome to the cyber-reset
16:12:22 <nsITobin> to y2k
16:12:38 <nsITobin> that's the real y2k bug.. tech companies repeating the same shit over and over again
16:14:13 <nsITobin> US VS Russia Microsoft vs Internet.. what kind of twisted nostagia powers these forces?
16:15:12 <tomman> I blame television
16:15:29 <nsITobin> I always envisioned the new millennium as building on the BEST of the previous and we did.. for about 7-8 years
16:16:42 <nsITobin> i wanted more.. LCARS and less Telescreen personally
16:18:01 <tomman> Star Trek had flip phones, not glass fondleslabs
16:18:15 <tomman> I miss my RAZRs :/
16:23:37 <nsITobin> well starfleet devices at least understood touch shit needs a fuckin bezel around it
16:24:15 <nsITobin> so you don't accidently click on any Ferengi ads
16:25:05 <nsITobin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_IaVMsCbf8
16:55:53 <nsITobin> food and food history > me bitching about tech history https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Nk0evkBpE
17:49:57 <nsITobin> I always wondered what a sugar plum was tho i always knew they weren't plums
18:56:28 <frg> And now in os from yesterday news ms fixed the sandbox problem in 2008 R2 today: https://support.microsoft.com/help/5048695
18:59:26 <nsITobin> why do they keep patching 2k8r2?
18:59:46 <nsITobin> i mean other than it is the superior codebase despite lacking some later kernel tweaks
19:00:30 <nsITobin> the supreme windows server.. uhh vista take 2 server.. HEY IT WORKS DON'T IT?! lol
19:01:03 <frg_Away> premium assurance till 2026.  Same for 2008 I think. So Windows 7 till 2026 too :)
19:01:17 <nsITobin> Microsoft was so much better when they embraced "Hey it works, don't it?" design
19:03:30 <nsITobin> boy i hate how everyone keeps bumpping deps past EL8's versions
19:03:47 <nsITobin> and some stuff I can't just rpmbuild to update..
19:04:43 <nsITobin> swear to god I am gonna figure out how to do a STATIC COMPILED linux from scratch .. so sick of dephell
19:05:13 <nsITobin> or just admit defeat and go BSD
19:05:24 <nsITobin> how is SeaMonkey on UNIX_BUT_NOT_MAC?
19:06:58 <frg_Away> I think it builds. Can't test and won't but every time I find a reasonable patch I apply it.
19:08:22 <frg_Away> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=3117607
19:09:59 <nsITobin> i see
19:11:16 <frg_Away> I think someone got it building on 14 too but not sure.
22:14:30 <frg_Away> we now have a git log in searchfox central and as expected its crap compared to the hg one.
22:18:03 <nsITobin> frg_Away: better off using shithub to traverse into the various dimentions
22:30:15 <nsITobin> oh i see
22:30:23 <nsITobin> it is JUST doing commit history on file
22:30:49 <nsITobin> YEAH that doesn't always tell the full story especially since github does NOT follow renames and git its self isn't always great at figuring out a rename from a new file
22:30:52 <nsITobin> frg_Away:
22:30:56 <nsITobin> and not away
22:31:34 <frg_Away> frg_Away is on two computers...
22:32:23 <nsITobin> well i'd setup a znc for us all to use but then I'd have to like be all nice and respectful to libera staff to make it work properly and not be abanned and that is very taxing
22:34:08 <nsITobin> basically the trick on github to traverse renames and into .. alt-but-from-hg-and-cvs-not-visable-history-streams is a process of traversing known files and swapping to a parent commit to find it again and repeating..
22:34:58 <nsITobin> when the history splits tho even historing a now gone file won't show it existed but if you go back far enough you can get to where you can see it
22:35:29 <nsITobin> .. I have had a decade head start on figuring out gecko-dev history from a git perspective after all :P
22:36:20 <nsITobin> I will make sure that MY git viewer follows renames
23:26:14 <njsg> 1210|15:42:52 <+nsITobin> anyone ever read [...] <-- well, it says WHATWG, so... is it light reading or for a drinking game?
23:26:51 <nsITobin> lol thank you for that njsg
23:31:19 <njsg> 2008R2 still having support should really, really be highlighted to, say, Google, who insist in saying "Windows 7" is not supported.
23:32:04 <njsg> (Why do they even do that? How did Google manage to mangle that check? After all, NT 6.1 isn't just 7...)
23:33:59 <nsITobin> njsg: that has only been true sometimes.. also different channels servers are often not supported by desktop software regardless of the nonsense.. just like windows clients can only have 2 physical cpus and 32bit windows has ram restrictions while 32bit server has working pae
23:34:48 <nsITobin> and today the server and client are split again