00:00:17 there's also botit! 00:00:51 it's the plural of botti not bot but here you go https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/botti 00:13:52 njsg: pronounced bot-ee or bot-eye 00:13:53 ? 00:14:59 not sure how to translate to english pronunciation indications 00:17:24 I mean, it's bot-i, so bot-ee? 00:25:17 njsg: heh 00:27:06 nsITobin: /. even multiplied. when they tried to accelerate the ui stuff too fast to ensure ad placements work, soylentnews split off as a nonprofit operation. 02:44:15 ah, the #FuckBeta fiasco 02:45:01 furthermore, that's when I learned that the /. crowd really took it badly when the new management of that era (Dice?) referred to them as "the audience" 02:45:20 since then, Slashdot has been going in freefall 02:45:32 that, the ads, and the JavaScript disease didn't helped 02:46:11 And of course the trolls... the problem had become so badly that they ended temporarily disabling Anonymous Cowards and forcing everybody to register before posting 02:46:29 which kinda killed the Slashdot spirit, but brought a few weeks of much needed sanity 02:47:05 ...until trolls figured out that registering in was a necessary evil for their "cause" 02:47:38 I dropped the site in 2020 as the signal to noise ratio had become unbearable again, and jumped ship to HN 02:47:59 ...but HN has become more and more the same crap, just with SV dudebros and JS/Rust fanboys 11:00:37 if I may add something to the comments about js-backed custom UI elements: these sometimes aren't tested to handle lack of visibility, say, a drop-down box that's obscured because it grows below the visible area, while platform UI elements would probably handle this better 20:16:20 When the final cockroach breathes her last breath, her dying act will be to scratch her date of death in a CSV file for posterity. 20:16:22 https://github.com/secretGeek/AwesomeCSV 20:20:56 Honestly the last *big* improvement wasn't in Javascript, it was in CSS: inline-block support. 20:22:54 The old web technology that I desperately want to reintroduce, is Click here to open the thing you need to print. 20:23:30 I am *so* tired of helping users navigate Javascript-based in-page PDF viewers that don't interact correctly with printing. 20:24:20 And both of the users who don't have any software installed that can open PDFs, don't have it on purpose for ideological reasons. 20:24:27 ha, 99% of them are hacked up forks of pdf.js 20:24:44 eh, I do not want external PDF readers if I can avoid them :P 20:24:52 Adobe touched me in a no-no place~ 20:25:10 but yeah, site-specific PDF readers are dumb 20:25:16 and a waste of bandwidth and resources 20:25:37 my web browser already has a perfectly fine PDF reader, thanks, just serve me the stupid PDF and let's go on with life~ 20:26:01 I'm not surprised a lot of them are forks of one original thing. They tend to all have certain things in common. 20:26:27 a fork of which was originally a Mozilla product 20:26:43 From the website's perspective, I don't see why it should matter whether the software the user has that opens PDFs, is the web browser or a third-party helper app or what. 20:27:01 Everybody's got *something* that can do it. 20:27:56 Heck, using pdf2ps and then sending the thing to a PostScript printer, is probably more common than downloading a PDF and then having no way to open it. 20:27:58 Agreed 20:27:59 maybe not everybody, but not forcing people to handle it in a specific way would be great 20:28:01 let the user be in control 20:28:07 ^ 20:28:28 Most users will just use whatever came pre-installed, but that's their problem. And it does still work. 20:28:33 a longer trend has been to hide the direct links and default to indirect in-browser or in-page viewing 20:28:37 pastebins, download sites... 20:28:56 at least dropbox allows changing the hostname to dl.[...] to download 20:29:07 that even survived the end of "public folders" 20:29:45 a extreme case is when websites abuse their own custom PDF readers as makeshift DRM 20:30:03 Eww. I think that is less common. Fortunately. 20:30:23 for example: utm_source=bnn&utm_medium=main-nav 20:30:30 https://www.greysheet.com/publications/the-banknote-book-world-paper-money 20:30:36 they used to sell PDFs, but not anymore 20:30:51 instead they claim you can only use their online viewer to read the files you've paid for 20:30:59 internally they're still PDFs 20:31:09 Also, the user ultimately *can* print anything that can be displayed, even if they only way they know how to do it involves their phone's Photos app. 20:31:24 with some clever hax (i.e. lrn2devtools), you can download the PDFs you're not entitled to have despite paying a hefty subscription for that 22:22:44 the guardian picture thing *is* a button too, a trend I had seen somewhere else (was it at Yle?) 22:23:12 but in that case I think it wasn't a sibling (but maybe I'm misremembering) 22:26:49 andr01d: from a quick test, it might be worth testing adding '@-moz-document url-prefix("https://www.theguardian.com/") { .open-lightbox{display: none !important;}}' to userContent.css 22:27:53 what I don't know is whether that gets rid of something else that's actually useful, but it does hide the and