00:05:35 <njsg> oh wow that IRC username bug...
00:05:45 <njsg> well, "bug"
01:29:37 <Sompi> also, code pages are still a thing with modern hardware because graphics cards are still VGA compatible and their text mode uses code pages
01:30:09 <Sompi> so it would make sense that a web browser could at least display text files correctly using code page charsets
01:30:26 <Sompi> code pages aren't going away
01:31:08 <tomman> not really: modern GPUs are not even 2D anymore
01:31:17 <tomman> they simulate everything via the 3D pipeline
01:31:28 <Sompi> but they are also VGA compatible
01:31:30 <tomman> even the text mode BIOS is largely emulated on shaders
01:31:39 <Sompi> of course, everything is emulated
01:31:50 <Sompi> on x86 CPUs the entire instruction set is emulated, and has been since Pentium Pro
01:32:15 <Sompi> nowadays everything is just highly specialized RISC CPUs emulating the actual instruction set that is visible to the programmer
01:32:21 <Sompi> it doesn't falsify what I wrote
01:33:06 <tomman> maybe Transmeta was right... and wrong at the same time
01:33:13 <tomman> the future is emulation, but not with VLIW :D
01:34:17 <njsg> I did enjoy being told to use VESA when I was trying to figure out the appropriate linux or gentoo settings, was it for the virtual console or x11... problem is it wasn't an "IBM PC-compatible" :-)
01:34:51 <njsg>  <+tomman> maybe Transmeta was right... and wrong at the same time <--- the future is clearly quantum computing then :-P
01:35:58 <tomman> the future has been quantum for the last 40 years we've been hearing that "the future will be quantum"
01:36:20 <tomman> and so far the only pieces of quantum hardware I have are a bunch of old dead Quantum Fireballs and Bigfoot HDDs :D
01:36:22 <Sompi> no, computers must be deterministic
01:36:36 <tomman> ...and a local ISP called "Quantum Xfinity Networks"
01:36:42 <tomman> (that ALSO STOLE the Quantum logo!)
13:19:11 <njsg> (More about Finnish news outlets:) Maybe it's just a coincidence, but looking at memory usage and doing "flush memory", as well as alt-tabbing back and forth: are Ilta-Sanomat webpages excessively heavy even without JS?
19:07:49 <nsITobin> .
19:08:51 <nsITobin> just making sure the logbot was still recarding
21:33:41 <Sompi> cloudflare's anti-ddos thing doesn't let SeaMonkey through anymore
21:34:01 <Sompi> It doesn't even give the "verify that you're a human" box at all
21:34:04 <Sompi> No errors in the browser console
21:34:30 <Sompi> The page just doesn't include the actual task to prove being a human
21:37:16 <Sompi> njsg: Every Finnish website is bloated, the IT job sector here is completely broken and competent people are unemployed
21:38:41 <Sompi> most websites don't even work without javascript at all
21:38:53 <Sompi> they have at least megabytes of minified JS
23:48:43 <tomman> Sompi: try threatening the Turnstile box with devtools
23:48:51 <tomman> that's how I can get it to show at my side
23:49:02 <tomman> it doesn't load, and neither it doesn't error on the console
23:49:16 <tomman> but when I inspect the space where it is supposed to render... oh, magically it comes on!
23:49:42 <tomman> that's Clownflare warfare for you
23:54:37 <Sompi> That sounds like they are probably relying on some undefined behavior in Firefox