01:34:30 oh my god, found a website that gets VERY ANGRY if I fire up devtools! 01:34:37 It's... a file locker 01:35:00 need to export some cookies to please JDownloader, and of course the site doesn't work on SM, so I fire up FFESR 01:35:09 when I open Devtools... the site REDIRECTS TO ABOUT:BLANK 01:35:17 no matter how hard I mash Escape 01:35:22 this is... war 01:35:38 how sites can even detect Devtools?! 01:35:48 (site is terabox.com ) 01:37:03 ...and of course FF no longer has a built-in cookie viewer other than devtools 02:18:31 https://windowsonarm.org/ another follower of the Church of Chrome 02:18:37 it dies with a WSoD 02:18:40 > Application error: a client-side exception has occurred (see the browser console for more information). 02:18:48 and the only relevant exception logged on console is... 02:18:51 > DOMException: "Animation to or from an underlying value is not yet supported."7515-f4b4fc66c30cb691.js:1:3972 02:19:50 the actual page flashes for a split second, then it WSoD's and the entire DOM of course gets wiped 02:20:12 to whoever decided to "crash" websites that way: [CENSORED]!!!!! 02:22:35 all for some... animation fluff 02:37:02 yup 02:37:10 i see that wsod 02:40:06 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Web_Animations_API oh, it's this 02:41:17 ...hmmm, Chrome actually came up late with this one, iiiiinteresting 02:41:50 FF introduced it with FF48, but many bits came later, culminating with full support as of FF75 02:42:04 some pieces came in 59 and 63 02:42:57 https://github.com/davidkpiano/flipping/issues/19 09:03:47 tomman, whats really the point for having this flipping web_animations_api??? 10:39:59 tomman: I think one thing to detect devtools was automated download of .map files or what it was for the source view or line numbers or what it was 10:40:59 franstam: probably to force animations upon everyone and deliver a terrible experience to both people who can't withstand animations and people who don't have very high end GPUs? just guessing, have to see what it is :-P 17:34:51 "If you don't test for it, the bug doesn't exist!" 23:03:08 it almost seems like modern web developers do everything in their power to make it as impossible as possible to develop and test an independent web browser