18:44:59 I love how Giggityhub keeps showing random degrees of brokenness every day 18:45:38 sometimes you open, say, a issue page and comments will not load due to some Chromeism, but you come up 2 day later and comments load just fine... but then something else breaks due to other Chromeism 18:46:26 maybe Microsoft should freeze the whole UI in permafrost and fire the entire developer team (that will be great for Accounting and stockholders!) 18:51:21 oh, but comments DO load on pull requests! 18:51:49 UI consistency is like job #3524636225.3 at Giggityhub, it seems 20:06:47 it's probably handed by a 80586 FPU emulator 20:06:58 and as the html is full of divs... 20:18:25 https://tech.lgbt/@luna/110662003216958032 20:18:47 now only if mastodon could present the blurb information in this "enable javascript" page... 20:19:50 (please don't tell me that Mastodon includes the *entire* post as a description meta tag, yet can't show it statically...) 20:55:34 hi nsITobin, pardon my abscence 21:58:34 now Facebook also doesn't work on Seamonkey anymore 21:59:04 and when I try to access the mbasic subdomain, it says that "facebook does not work with this browser" and tells to download either firefox or chrome 22:01:24 tomman: github has never worked well with Firefox either 22:01:29 I have no idea why people still use it 22:01:36 it is always broken 22:01:40 and same with Facebook 22:06:45 https://old.reddit.com/r/facebook/comments/1g5tsf4/mbasic_is_going_away_on_28_october_2024_whats_the/?rdt=50415 22:08:32 use a post-modern browser or use the app on your phone as you are intended to. No one uses facebook on a computer anymore silly Sompi 22:08:46 Sompi: because Giggityhub is mandatory for any software dev if you wanna have a CV acceptable by Silly Con Valley 22:08:53 FWIW Giggitylab also engages in the same sabotage 22:09:11 but a prospective employer from Big Money IT Co. will ALWAYS look at yout Giggityhub profile 22:09:27 (of course that's reason #3425432 I'm unemployable :D ) 22:10:23 how do I feel that in the recent years the coercing to technological monoculture has became increasingly more aggressive 22:10:35 because Money™ 22:10:59 basically nothing works anymore without a boot locked x86-64 or ARM PC and Firefox or Chrome 22:11:06 github is microsoft microsoft defacto owns the chromium windows branch in exchange for top google chrome support and cleartype so its gonna push guess what.. the whatwg.. facebook has always catored to chromeisms that youtube and google office shit is what drove SO MANY browser parity bugs in the 2010s 22:11:12 And Windows or OS X or Android or iOS 22:11:27 but why people just accept this 22:11:44 I remember when Firefox became a big thing, everyone just wanted to rebel against Microsoft and IE 22:12:00 now suddenly those same people are coercing others to the technological monoculture 22:12:00 Firefox was a trap 22:12:08 a very successful one 22:12:09 What changed? 22:12:27 xml was too hard i guess 22:12:37 Sompi: cellphones happened 22:12:38 But why the mindset of those people changed 22:12:42 or more precisely, the iPhone happened 22:12:47 But why the mindset of those people changed 22:13:12 people consider that variety is a sin these days because thinking is, y'know, painful 22:13:23 hence why monocultures win 22:13:37 Now those same people are genuinely ANGRY towards everyone who don't comply with the monoculture 22:13:47 not just angry, they are furious 22:14:07 because that implies "OMG I would have to work extra to please those fringe nerds using that noname browser!!!! My life would be easier if everybody just used Thy Holy Chrome!" 22:14:31 or for the technosexuals, "only Chrome pushes the boundaries and I like pushing things forward" 22:14:35 they are furiously angry like an autistic kid with temper problems, while calling me an autist 22:15:02 tech these days value uniformity because that means more milking and less work 22:15:29 it would be like if all car dealers in your country were Ford dealers 22:15:47 you may hate Fords, but mechanics in your city do not want to repair Chevys or Toyotas 22:17:54 Sompi: perhaps its because now that technology is broadly acceptable don't want the mass of dumbasses to reject their magic slabs of glass and come after them with muscles and bad attitudes 22:18:54 also conformity and devotion is often the only way to get ahead in most circles regardless 22:19:37 remember tech managers and ceos are largely dumbasses and if they did know tech when they started they almost certainly don't care enough to know any more than if it is profitable or not 22:20:16 now 23:14:30 tomman: github is pretty much facebook for coding, IMHO 23:16:11 njsg: that is exactly what i was thinking 23:16:28 wonder when it will be merged into linkedin 23:16:30 and skype 23:19:23 Sompi: I'm not even sure some mindsets did change, I mean, I'm kind of finding myself in the same situation that there was in early 2000s: people using proprietary MS formats, IE-only sites, and a need to push for portable and interoperable approaches 23:19:53 now it's kind of the same problem, but I've not tried to do some analysis of the why 23:20:01 I just commented on BinOC how I am effectively where I started... 23:20:25 but it *is* annoying that some people that ought to be pushing for interoperable and accessible are doing the opposite 23:20:56 one would think 23:21:28 also, there was that glimpse of a worse future to come back then, when the push became "you need to use a standard format/protocol" and it was obvious to me that the bad players would just have their proprietarý ones standardized somehow 23:21:53 come Office Open XML and people being reportedly rejected from standardization meetings because of lack of chairs 23:22:24 XML in its entirety is somehow the most horrific thing to have ever happened 23:23:01 JSONx. 23:47:45 In Finland schools still use .doc because open standards would be an ideological choice but using closed proprietary formats is neutral 23:56:56 Sompi: normal people don't even know what's a "file format", much less a "open standard" 23:57:13 and there is no interest into adding that as part of what kids learn in the education system 23:57:32 for many peoples a "file format" might be the same as "airplane parts" 23:58:07 ignorance is bliss, they say, and many people just want to get shit done, damned be the consequences :/