14:14:28 frg_Away: do we still have a ghost window problem in seamonkey? 14:14:44 cause UXP found .. a solution but it seems a bit risky to me 14:16:07 nsITobin We have a ghost window but I don't see any problems with it. Mozilla recenztly kicked it out more or less. I think remains only on macOS but not sure. I would not want to tinker with it unless there is actually a problem. 14:16:32 i mean ghost windows that stay active because of scripts when they shouldn't 14:16:47 github windows chruning away long after the tab is closed 14:18:54 https://repo.palemoon.org/MoonchildProductions/UXP/commit/114b5265d63ee4231937ff1c1dd23529652df0c4 and https://repo.palemoon.org/MoonchildProductions/UXP/commit/f819937a3181ff7b1aa5f3e8ad7fcc71137ae024 plus fe code to do something with it 14:20:26 comments indicate bad things could happen and then they added an idleobserver to their fe to just kill em off 14:20:39 and its intended to be debug code 14:21:24 nsITobi oh you mean the ghostbuster. I now and then see this but verxy rare. Ebay mostly and not as excessive 14:21:54 according to the .. mess of an issue seems as more stuff is added the worse it is gonna get 14:22:36 but then they say its a minority of sites.. 14:23:31 and that it seems specifically masked by e10s multiprocess but in single process .. yeah so maybe a good idea I just question enabling debug code as a front line feature especially knowing this bit of the code has never been highlighted before 14:25:18 the PROPER fix i would think is to make the ghostbuster code better not just force it when idle 14:28:14 nsITobin btw. when it comes to MS Bullsh*t. Server 2025 is latest Windows and does not need later cxpu nor uefi nor secure boot nor tpm. So just arbitrary requirements to force people to upgrade hardware. Installed it in a vm for testing but don't plan to use it. 14:28:21 Status meeting in 34 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-11-10 14:29:38 frg_Away: the issue is not if you can bypass their arbitrary restrictions but the arbtary timing of when one of those MIGHT be technologically required cause they got around to refactoring or adding the target component 14:29:57 hardware crypto for instance 14:30:23 yeah but the will stay with Server 2025 till 2034. They can't change these. 14:30:56 wonder how badly compramised the win32 api is now 14:37:04 I really don't like the idea that a mere update will change functionality 14:37:38 with how they stagger out feature enablement 14:46:47 Status meeting in 15 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-11-10 14:51:16 hiya tonymec 14:51:35 hi IanN 14:52:27 hi .* 14:52:29 tonymec: how was Oktoberfest? 14:53:54 IanN: AFAIK that's Bavarian, not Belgian. Here we drink the same amounts of beer at all times of the year. 14:54:54 tonymec: i'm sure the Mozcamp or something we did in Belgian including attending some sort of Oktoberfest type event 14:55:45 greetings IanN 14:56:12 hello nsITobin 14:58:15 Status meeting in 4 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-11-10 14:59:49 hi there * 14:59:54 hi rsx11m 15:00:05 I’m here 15:00:39 hi WG9s-iPad 15:00:59 fancy 15:01:42 are there any real irc apps for an ipad? 15:01:43 Status meeting time - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-11-10 15:01:53 Hi all 15:01:53 op no time for that now the meeting is starting :P 15:02:34 Hello frg 15:02:37 Who's taking minutes? 15:02:48 me and late again I suspect 15:03:12 thanks frg 15:03:26 Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank? 15:04:33 WG9s-iPad you had one I think 15:04:54 I nominate for for helping me to get about:credits so work on the official website 15:05:15 i second for aka frg 15:05:27 I'm for for 2 15:05:29 y0 15:05:35 fourthing for 15:05:55 thanks btu was also a group effort. 15:06:34 a collective "well done" 15:06:50 Action Items 15:06:58 bau 15:07:41 Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure 15:07:55 can we see if we can get mozilla to extend their infra cutloose until 115 is ended? 15:07:55 bau here too 15:08:02 ewong has been creating some new boxes, need to do some testing 15:09:09 Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree 15:10:16 Finally did some reviews and central checkins. Still lots of cZ reviews outstanding but given that I see no problems in my daily use I will probably mostly rubberstamt then after a brief look. Please test 2.53.20b1 pre. 15:11:16 yes, please test a recently nightlt if you use cZ 15:11:23 *nightly 15:11:25 Did some more places backports to bring it up to 60 / 2.57. My error with drag and rop seems to be gone but also pelase test. tags and keywords got the most changes. We do not plan to remove them btw. 15:12:16 are there any more planned places changes that would affect the work I am doing to make the go menu the history menu? 15:12:38 Apple borked macOS 15.1 and SeaMonkey and a bunch of other programs will no longer start normally. Solution seems to be self signing the code. We don't have time to look into notarization yet. 15:14:01 http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14987246#p14987246 15:14:41 frg: cZ (2.53.20b1pre 20241106113419): no mode symbols or colored balls in the user list, and all names are in bold 15:15:13 tonymec please use the latest version and try again 15:15:45 Oh I see it is the latest. ianN to the rescue :) 15:15:46 frg: AFAIK it is the latest version. 15:16:27 tonymec: anything in the error console or stdout? 15:16:34 * njsg prepares to test that one, and closes SeaMonkey, then goes download the build 15:16:48 * njsg ponders why did he close SeaMonkey before doing that 15:16:53 Code is in bug 1927582 15:17:18 Release Train 15:18:29 Should we do the beta this week? I would probably let the cZ code in Bug 1927582 let mature a bit more for the next release. The others seem to be fine. 15:22:13 oh, no quit message? 15:22:18 frg: potentially 15:23:38 IanN have a bunch of personal stuff scheduled this week but will see that it goes forward. 15:24:19 IanN: don't know where is the error console. stdout for today (preceded by "date" output) is as follows: 15:24:21 Sun 10 Nov 04:22:37 CET 2024 15:24:22 /root/.mozilla/seamonkey/r0hh40it.frg-2018+/user.js:21: prefs parse error: expected ',' after pref name 15:24:24 /root/.mozilla/seamonkey/r0hh40it.frg-2018+/user.js:152: prefs parse error: unknown keyword 15:24:25 info: 0, warning: 0, error: 0 15:24:27 Done 15:24:28 info: 0, warning: 0, error: 0 15:24:30 Done 15:24:31 info: 0, warning: 0, error: 0 15:24:33 Done 15:24:34 info: 0, warning: 0, error: 0 15:24:36 Done 15:24:37 info: 0, warning: 0, error: 0 15:24:39 Done 15:24:40 oh god 15:25:44 tonymec: uh. 20241106122222 shows balls and no bold to me; which theme are you using? (Bold could also be just font size, or different font); sizing is different but I guess that's what was discussed before 15:25:53 tonymec: do you use any special themes for cZ or cZ plugins? 15:25:54 oh wow I was scrolled up 15:26:38 frg: I need to test the new builder this week 15:26:42 No user.js in 2.53.20b1 pre. Probably a different add-on needs a fix. 15:27:34 IanN I won't manage to use 2019 for the next build but 2012 R2 is still fine for 2.53. Sorry. Too much real world stuff. 15:27:35 frg: what puzzles me is the "frg" there, was that just nick autocomplete? 15:27:51 IanN: no cZ plugins; I always used theme http://chatzilla.hacksrus.com/motifs/output-light-faces.css 15:28:06 tonymec: or is your profile named "frg-2018+"? 15:28:42 njsg: yes 15:29:14 tonymec the theme probbaly needs an update, User tree switched from tree to listbox. 15:29:45 frg: ah 15:34:42 tonymec: try with chrome://chatzilla/skin/output-marble.css or chrome://chatzilla/skin/output-light.css and see if it works 15:36:24 Extensions Tracking 15:37:41 bau 15:39:07 Maybe a hint. The places updates might affect old extensions using the old sync apis. I doubt there is one left still working after switching already a few releases back but you never know. 15:40:16 wb tonymec|away 15:40:49 2.Next, Feature List, Planning & Roundtable 15:40:59 bau 15:41:36 frg sounds like a broken record .. 8-) 15:41:43 IanN: user list didn't change. No faces (that's to be expected) in the main log. 15:42:27 rsx11m yeah. Pretty much the same lately. Backporting and support and now and then some fixups. 15:42:53 no news is sometimes good news ;-) 15:43:34 tonymec: so it's working now, or still no mode symbols / coloured balls? 15:44:34 IanN: still no mode symbols or balls, still all bold, and still (forgot to say) sorted by mode 15:44:50 which SeaMonkey theme? or did you say that already? 15:45:19 tonymec: when you get chance, can you test with a new profile 15:46:35 modes do show up with modern, but tabs other than the active one don't extend to the full height of the tab bar 15:46:44 njsg_: theme MicroMonkey [converted] 2.0.27 15:46:52 oof, missed the meeting? 15:47:07 tomman: almost done 15:48:53 tonymec: I see mentions of user-list and treechildren in chatzilla.css for micromonkey, so it might be that 15:50:16 can we conclude AOB first and you continue debugging after the meeting? 15:50:50 ah Chatzilla 15:50:55 hm, after the meeting finishes I'll try with Sm buitin themes (but not Safe Mode bcz that means no cZ). 15:50:58 worth reminding the weird regression on the user list 15:51:27 where every time someone joins or parts a channel, the nick list on the current tab gets populated with ALL THE NICKS from ALL THE CHANNELS :D 15:52:20 rsx11m: yes, indeed 15:52:21 tomman: tried with a recent build (from the last 4 or 5 days)? 15:52:38 AOB 15:52:46 IanN: this build is 20241030113351, so I may try a newer one later 15:52:51 broken record bau 15:53:28 so next meeting is in December 15:53:33 soon be Xmas! 15:53:39 next meeting would be December 1st 15:53:41 tomman was a problem in older builds. 15:53:48 that's the Thanksgiving weekend here 15:53:59 fun, December starts on a Sunday 15:54:15 which means the year ends... in mid-week 15:54:17 that kinda sucks :D 15:55:41 okay, thanks for your time today, next meeting in 3 weeks time, same bat channel, same bat time 15:56:03 ok, I can post the agenda and invitation but won't be there 15:56:12 we will decide at next meeting when the following meeting is, as I am away 22nd and 29th 15:56:20 so we keep it on the Thanksgiving weekend? 15:56:39 or shall we move by a week? (Nov 24 or Dec 8) 15:57:04 we could do Dec 8 and then Jan 5 15:57:15 ok with me 15:57:29 or Nov 24, Dec 15 and Jan 5 15:57:47 i'm easy either way 15:57:48 not bad either 15:58:18 me too 15:58:24 someone has a dice? 15:58:54 heads and tails 15:59:03 how's the mozilla infrastructure situation, any reason that'd need more meetings? OTOH that can just be discussed outside of a meeting, yes 15:59:08 [coin lands on its edge] 15:59:45 njsg_ no change for now. 16:00:30 Nov 24 is probably to early to be discussing a release, whereas Dec 8 would be better 16:00:34 Lets do 08/12 and 01/05. Have a bunch of personal stuff for the next weeks. 16:00:46 sounds good to me 16:00:54 okay 8th and 5th 16:01:00 Can always attend but ias stated mostly bau lately. 16:01:01 so next meeting is in 4 weeks time 16:01:23 I've got no strong feelings one way or the otherTM, so ok with that one 16:02:38 user list is OK with both builtin themes 16:03:36 bye all! 16:03:58 bye and here 16:04:07 cya all 16:04:28 At least with modern some users at the end of the list have a "box" around them 16:04:56 uh, seems to be mouse selection related somehow 16:05:24 but it only affects the last few at the end, and only if I click on one there 16:06:21 njsg_: strange 16:06:53 indeed, more likely to be somehow a local issue, although it's puzzling that it affects only one end of the list and seems to be reproducible 16:08:58 njsg might be gfx driver related 16:10:36 IanN: so the culprit is my _SeaMonkey_ theme. No problem with my usual cZ theme and either of the Sm builtin themes. Sorry. 16:11:11 tonymec|away: not a problem, just need to fix the theme 16:12:47 modern tab height issue present in 20241010 2100 too 16:14:51 IanN: huhuh. "By Alfred Kayser, last updated April 6, 2017, No updates found." 16:15:10 tonymec|away: :( 16:15:17 njsg_: in cZ? 16:15:33 does it have a repository or site somewhere? I didn't see a link in the addons site 16:16:17 IanN: yes; maybe that's how the tabs are supposed to look, but I'd say it looks like the height needs to be extended, at least for what I'm used to see as the rendering of a tab bar 16:16:44 no idea for how long this has been like it is now, sadly I don't test Chatzilla often 16:17:07 njsg: dunno 16:21:20 njsg: it says "Homepage: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addons/309/developers ". Obsolete, I suppose, but maybe ported to the Thunderbird addons site ? 16:23:32 njsg_: do the active tab looks lots bigger than the inactive tabs? 16:23:39 *does 16:23:40 Hm, maybe the idea *is* to make them enlarge on hover 16:24:03 the active tab has a background which looks bigger in height than that of the other tabs 16:24:32 njsg_: definitely been like that for a while 16:24:57 njsg_: I think it could be made to look better 16:27:37 playing a bit with the CSS in the DOM inspector, it looks like the color bar that indicates activity might be part of why it is like thi, that is, the height might be smaller to account for it 16:27:45 s@thi@&s@ 16:33:09 njsg_: I think the main issue is the background colour for the inactive tabs 16:33:41 njsg_: IanN2: I see the cZ active tab maybe a millimetre or so higher than the other tabs. Same level at bottom. Intended I suppose. For the bgcolor I have user CSS. 16:34:03 tonymec|away: check with modern 16:39:17 njsg: with Modern the difference (top _and_ bottom) is a little bigger, with a bigger font. Maybe 2 mm difference either way. 16:52:45 tonymec|away: ah, I see, I should try also with the "default" resolution (dpi) to see if scaling is making it worse 16:53:24 uh. this time it put all as the quit message, I was wondering if it needed a network name as argument somehow 16:55:17 njsg: I see I have a bunch of "ChatZilla" lines in userChrome.css 17:25:57 I am able to build 102 but 91 needs a patch well one so far 20:12:37 yeah anything older than 102 likely needs alt deps cause artifacts are unavailable largely cbindgen and lower clang i'd expect 20:12:57 guess i better get good at compiling clang and rust 20:13:47 102 on linux el8-ish builds with 115 artifacts i picked rust 1.65 as a random guess so ye 21:08:18 so I am on a fool's errand.. try and get dom/xbl code to build.. not hooked up.. but build 21:08:22 on esr102 22:08:30 well that was fun never the less and informative..