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Sompi
What was the EU directive that mandates that public sector web portals must be browser-agnostic?
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nsITobin
i didn't know they did one
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nsITobin
tho what does browser-agnostic mean today when there is just chrome modern-gecko and webkit
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Sompi
Maybe it was this "web accessibility directive"?
eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2016/2102/oj
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Sompi
"(37)
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Sompi
The four principles of accessibility are: perceivability, meaning that information and user interface components must be presentable to users in ways they can perceive; operability, meaning that user interface components and navigation must be operable; understandability, meaning that information and the operation of the user interface must be understandable; and robustness, meaning that content must be
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Sompi
robust enough to be interpreted reliably by a wide variety of user agents, including assistive technologies."
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Sompi
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Sompi
"wide variety of user agents"
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Sompi
That probably doesn't mean only Chrome and the newest Firefox
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nsITobin
every chrome varient is a "different user agent" in the whatwg system
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nsITobin
shame gecko isn't treated the same
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tomman
"browser-agnostic" basically means "whatever ships Chrome this week since Firefox will implement it" because "we can't get in the way of innovation2
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Sompi
Visually impaired people often cannot use Firefox or Chrome at all. In addition to that, Firefox and Chrome have way too much components that are shared by both browsers, and when a zero-day vulnerability is found from those, it leads into a situation where you cannot browse the government sites safely
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Sompi
The current way of doing things has too many problems
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Sompi
Traficom's website is already so bad that it is almost impossible to find the current rules about many things, such as road vehicles. Even GoogleBot hasn't indexed the newest PDF files, because they are behind too many JavaScript dropdown things
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Sompi
And Traficom is the bureau whose job is to write instructions to other governmental agencies on how to implement the web accessibility directive
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Sompi
But it seems that they aren't even planning to obey it themselves
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Sompi
So in many situations it is impossible for a citizen to know the law. It cannot be right.
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Sompi
Even police don't know the law, and seems that the courts don't know it either
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njsg
Sompi: if there is such a directive, I'll be willing to spend some time at some point writing here and there to see how much of it is to see application in practice. I've had more than enough of "only supports browser X, or Y or Z" in my life...
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Sompi
There is. The articla 37 of the "web accessibility directive".
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njsg
Sompi: ... wasn't the law available as HTML at some site? or that ceased existing?
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Sompi
It clearly states that government sites should work on a wide variety of user agents, which cannot mean anything else that they must be browser-agnostic.
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njsg
I remember seeing legal documents in HTML (not PDF) in at least Finnish and English (and I'm guessing Swedish too of course, it wasn't like that sign at a hospital)
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Sompi
njsg: It is, but Traficom can introduce additional rules regarding road vehicles, and those rules are nowhere to be seen if you don't use the newest Firefox or Chrome. Even Googlebot cannot find them.
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Sompi
Even the local police couldn't find them.
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Sompi
Finlex seems to work without JavaScript, at least for now
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njsg
finlex, that was it. and yes, I can now understand what you mean
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Sompi
Finlex works with links
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Sompi
Also it mostly seems to work with Lynx, but it has some weird charset problems with äåö
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» njsg funnily somewhat recalls finding different text at poliisi.fi in Finnish and English - maybe he missed a paragraph somewhere, but it could have used an additional note...
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njsg
mut ne eiv{t en{{ oo ongelma! :-P
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njsg
I have to see how it fares currently, I must have a couple finlex URLs stashed somewhere to check
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nsITobin
wish whomever keeps dos-crashing my gogs instance would stop
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njsg
I read that as DOS-crashing, took me a moment to re-parse...
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nsITobin
;)
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Sompi
njsg: seems that they just released a beta version of new finlex just one hour ago, and that new version doesn't work without javascript anymore
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Sompi
even basic functionalities require chromeisms now
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Sompi
They literally released this just now:
beta.finlex.fi/en
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Sompi
Nothing there works