13:39:36 <nsITobin> hmm.. well the rustup-init is nice to have as a package so you don't have to go get it or use bootstrap.. I suppose I could split that off to another repo and add the other artifacts which can just be symlinked to ~/.mozbuild.. interesting idea frg_Away
13:43:32 <nsITobin> if nothing else it would make el8 build vms simpler to pre-setup
13:45:27 <nsITobin> re packages
13:54:27 <nsITobin> picom as a non-gnome/kde common x compositor and on el8 can faciliate testing newer nano and bash are just newer lol
13:56:42 <nsITobin> honestly i dunno why epel has openbox but not obconf or a non-busted compton compositor
13:59:45 <nsITobin> and I have made my home for now on el8 and that is the primary linux system seamonkey is targeting to produce its official linux builds
14:32:32 <frg_Away> ok. I probably got it from the initial bootstrap long ago. Now stuck at 1.73.0 thanks to rusts os non-support policy.
14:40:56 <nsITobin> i been using exactly 1.76
14:41:18 <nsITobin> dunno why that number
14:41:23 <nsITobin> had to have been mentioned SOMEWHERE
14:42:05 <frg_Away> nsITobin needs a patch and not good for Windows 7 8.1 and macOS < 10.15. So we can't use it.
14:42:36 <nsITobin> is building on windows 7 a reasonable expectaion?
14:42:41 <nsITobin> given toolchains and crap
14:43:12 <frg_Away> nsITobin problem is not building but running. Runtime support for these OS is gone.
14:43:29 <nsITobin> in which version of rust?
14:43:42 <frg_Away> For 7 they have a new target but not looked into it. Pretty much unsupported.
14:44:11 <frg_Away> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1896958#c10
14:44:51 <nsITobin> well I can bump my self down to 1.73
14:45:18 <frg_Away> pretty sure macOS support for 11 will go soon too.
14:45:27 <nsITobin> wasm
14:45:37 <nsITobin> wasn't 11 just released like five years ago?
14:45:48 <nsITobin> or am i that out of touch with macos
14:46:20 <nsITobin> November 12, 2020
14:46:20 <nsITobin> Version 11: "Big Sur"
14:46:20 <nsITobin> It was released November 12, 2020.
14:46:33 <nsITobin> no it was "like five years ago"
14:46:53 <nsITobin> ok apple is doing that now
14:46:55 <nsITobin> wonderful
14:46:59 <frg_Away> I m not sure if with 1.78 onlly 10.12 is affected.  Need to chjeck. I can probably live with this in the end but not with 7 and 8.1 plus servers based on it.
14:48:26 <nsITobin> well I am pretty sure eventually I will just BUILD rust-the-version-we-need as RPMs directly I am just not there yet ;)
14:48:32 <nsITobin> for linux
14:48:36 <nsITobin> and windows
14:48:39 <frg_Away> nITobin My mini mac from 2012 supportd only up to 10.15. The are now pushing arm left and right and kill Intel. 2012 is old but it is still a gret one. The lst one with replacable ram and updatebale HDD/SSD.
14:49:38 <frg_Away> I got an M1 but like the older much more. And n´macOS now becomes buggy. Even crashed recently somezthing I have never seen with the older versions.
14:49:41 <nsITobin> i know the model
14:49:43 <nsITobin> it was good
14:49:46 <nsITobin> the mac mini
14:51:44 <frg_Away> I am ok with arm but not the implemetation. Everything non upgradable and one one pcb. If something fails you can put it in the trash and recycle.
14:52:27 <frg_Away> totally walled garden.
14:53:08 <nsITobin> arm has ruined the computer landscape as we have known it..
14:56:16 <nsITobin> it shouldn't have re-entered the mainstream under the mobile battery device category
14:57:07 <nsITobin> it SHOULD have been in full on workstations and laptops before then .. modern arm is so disruptive because it BYPASSED everything and started overwriting stuff from your pocket outward
14:57:34 <nsITobin> and that includes your issue with locked down walled garden unrepairable hardware
14:58:22 <nsITobin> cause the days of the bbc micro had passed by the time everyone had an arm powered smartphone
15:00:14 <nsITobin> ARM follows apple's model because apple is who partnered with acorn to spin off to advanced risc machines
15:03:07 <nsITobin> RISC-V is the better future for all but i wonder if we will get there or eventually be forced to use either ancient intel-based hardware or low power green safe secure and effective Consumer Slab 238 Pro
15:05:09 <nsITobin> frg_Away: it feels like if everything isn't becoming a cell phone its becoming a set-top-box games console/streaming player and all the set top boxes are becoming more like cell phones or xboxes
15:05:17 <frg_Away> I doubt we will something good hre in this lifetime. China might push it to be not bening able to be sanctioned but that is it.
15:08:09 <frg_Away> Yeah. I basically stopped buying new gfx and motherboard stuff. Everything after Skylarke seems to be of limited use to me. and gfx cards with only 10/11 support can go to the dumpster. Not a gamer so the old ones re still good enough.
15:09:53 <nsITobin> Windows 7 started acting odd the last time I installed it.. same media same hardware same conditions no updates nothing changed.. it just was failing to do stuff oddly
15:10:13 <Artea> hardware
15:10:15 <Artea> dust
15:10:27 <Artea> it may affect Windows behavour
15:10:46 <nsITobin> sunspots
15:10:46 <Artea> I used to open 4 to 6 MU clients
15:10:48 <nsITobin> sabotage
15:10:53 <nsITobin> who knows lol
15:10:57 <Artea> now can't open more than 3
15:11:04 <Artea> if I do, get visual lag
15:11:11 <Artea> gags everywhere
15:11:25 <Artea> it's like using Pentium Celeron
15:11:47 <Artea> dust in the fans
15:11:51 <nsITobin> i figure microsoft slipped something in ala apple in one of the small updates years ago to do this
15:11:53 <Artea> also hot temperatures
15:12:00 <Artea> nop
15:12:03 <Artea> but if so
15:12:11 <Artea> NTLite is a good one to create your own ISO
15:12:17 <nsITobin> well TECHNICALLY my system is not windows 7 compatible
15:12:36 <nsITobin> Artea: i was using ntlite media from pre-pandemic
15:12:36 <Artea> brb
15:12:50 <Artea> another network about to open
15:13:02 <Artea> windowsclub
15:13:08 <Artea> windows repair toolbox
15:13:12 <Artea> search for that
15:13:20 <nsITobin> its cool I am on THE LINUX now lol
15:13:33 <nsITobin> and "adjusted" to LTSC 2019 for windows needs
15:13:42 <nsITobin> also ntlite'd
15:14:38 <nsITobin> could also be a known flaw that was just diliberatly unpatched
15:23:18 <njsg> Artea: do you have windows update running?
15:24:26 <njsg> one thing that has been complained is that older versions of windows end up taking longer to process/check for updates, no idea if that's happening to 6.1 too, but is it somehow possible it *is* the updater using resources?
15:24:39 <njsg> running as in the service
15:24:56 <nsITobin> njsg: the massive leaking windows update catelog issue?
15:25:33 <nsITobin> yeah they released a hotfix for it at some point
15:25:43 <nsITobin> and then it came back
15:26:44 <Artea> nop
15:27:01 <Artea> I desactivated 2 years ago after a format due to neshuta virus
15:27:04 <njsg> I've seen it worded as "microsoft deprioritizes older versions when accessing servers" but I don't think I've read anything more in detail about that. At least there *is* a known delay in processing updates because of complexities introduced by having the multiple versions for WOW64
15:27:12 <frg_Away> no problem here with 7. use it mostly for testing but for mail in a vm daily. Fully updated.
15:27:17 <njsg> (There's also the issue of WOW64 being a greatly named thing, but I digress)
15:27:18 <nsITobin> i simply can't run windows 7 anymore .. i wasn't supposed to be able to on this hardware at all but I got a good four more years
15:27:37 <nsITobin> something I doubt people will be saying in november
15:27:42 <njsg> where do the amd64 binaries go? System32. Where do the IA-32 binaries go? WOW64. Excellent, no comments, 5/5.
15:28:08 <nsITobin> njsg: legacy dude remember wow16 was a thing and system32 was created to deal with it
15:28:22 <nsITobin> by the time 64bit became common well have to do what apps expect
15:28:45 <nsITobin> i think it should have been System64 Program Files (64-bit) etc
15:28:47 <frg_Away> last one where it runs good  is Intel 6th Skylark.
15:28:56 <nsITobin> leave 32bit in system32 and 16bit in system
15:29:00 <frg_Away> ^Skylarke
15:29:08 <nsITobin> ignore my video card
15:29:12 <nsITobin> Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: Rocky Linux release 8.10 (Green Obsidian) • CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600X Six-Core Processor (2.61GHz) • Memory: 30.4 GiB Total (28.1 GiB Free) • Storage: 6.8 TB / 9.4 TB (2.5 TB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Navi 23 [Radeon RX 6650 XT / 6700S / 6800S] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h • Uptime: 2h 21m 4s
15:29:20 <njsg> nsITobin: re: november and beyond, there's always the chance John Ewards wins some presidential votes...
15:29:24 <nsITobin> that ran windows 7 well until 2022
15:30:16 <nsITobin> njsg: vote for Bob Dole, Bob Dole's corpse would appeciate the support
15:30:23 <Artea> lol
15:30:28 <frg_Away> For vms 8.1 and up have much better performance so I bsiclly switched to Server 2016/2019 full time. But 8.1 Pro is still in the same game here.
15:31:00 <nsITobin> there is zero doubt the ntkernel has performance improvements I wished i could just have on Windows 7 lol
15:31:11 <nsITobin> in fact EL 8 with a mainline kernel
15:31:19 <nsITobin> i have the linux eq of that now
15:33:44 <frg_Away> Wish Red Hat was still Red Hat and not IBM.
15:33:48 <nsITobin> if i had the capability at the time.. el6 would be forked into a new OS .. EL8 is basically on track for me to be a remixed soft-fork until EOL and if I don't have anything better by 2030 well guess EL8 becomes mine then
15:35:17 <frg_Away> Opensuse LEAp got good in the last releases but is now being phased out for total crap called ALP
15:37:02 <nsITobin> yeah and Neal Gompa is now on the engineering board for AlmaLinux he is on the OpenSUSE board he is also a top fedora contributor and knows all my fuckin plans and ambitions.. i wouldn't count on opensuse remaining good in any way shape or form whatsoever its spreading IBM's bs via RedHat to Fedora through him and others out to other $majorDistros and I can do jack shit about it
15:39:06 <Artea> CentOS 7 is now pretty dead
15:39:18 <Artea> not even you can install on OVH VPS
15:39:29 <Artea> it was possible 3 months ago
15:39:40 <nsITobin> well OVH lol
15:39:42 <nsITobin> but yeah
15:39:44 <Artea> now most close you have on they list is Alma Linux 8
15:39:57 <Artea> which I already had 10 formats
15:40:17 <Artea> just to get used to and relearn all fucking shit for past 8 years with CentOS 7
15:40:29 <nsITobin> Well LTSC 2019 server 2019 EL8 are the LEGACY systems left that are still almost completely the product they say on the label
15:40:35 <Artea> things are changing pretty fast
15:40:54 <Artea> yeah
15:41:06 <Artea> because there is always Old Retro Humans like us
15:41:12 <nsITobin> CentOS is a dead operating system
15:41:19 <Artea> I have 2 laptops with Win10 and this one is Win7
15:41:23 <nsITobin> CentOS Stream is just RHEL Beta
15:41:28 <nsITobin> or RHEL nightly
15:41:33 <Artea> nah
15:41:35 <Artea> is a fork
15:41:56 <Artea> CentOS, Alma, Rocky (I think)
15:42:01 <nsITobin> rhel being stream and alma and rocky being stream doesn't get me AWAY from stream
15:42:02 <Artea> is all forks of Red Hat
15:42:35 <Artea> think like GitHub ideolism
15:42:56 <Artea> what you mistake was not CentOS but Fedora
15:43:04 <nsITobin> the whole reason rocky and alma got popular was taking advantage of redhat's blundering real centos 8 away but alma nor rocky have any intention but screwing over redhat's profits they were NEVER gonna continue a real centos like project
15:43:05 <Artea> Fedora is the "nightly / beta"
15:43:34 <Artea> not remember what channel I read it
15:43:45 <Artea> but is all about investing projects
15:43:59 <Artea> CentOS always had the less investment from RHG
15:44:45 <Artea> they overtook CentOS
15:44:53 <nsITobin> Yes if you wanna be Tobin-level pedantic about it, centos stream is a fork of fedora where fedora acts like an alpha channel stream is LIKE a beta channel and rhel is the release.. but centos was a rebuild of rhel which was a str8 fork of a specific version of fedora with a few updated packages
15:45:00 <Artea> and now they are working like low class employers
15:45:09 <frg_Away> Thrre is also Oracle Linux but it is Oracle... :)
15:45:21 <Artea> (not to saying the real thing since is all my speculation for what I know, pure opinion)
15:45:24 <nsITobin> Their unbreakable kernel is just the LTS kernel
15:45:53 <Artea> and someone 3 weeks ago or so
15:46:00 <Artea> tried to update Ubuntu
15:46:06 <Artea> and got pissed due to mini-patch
15:46:25 <Artea> seems the hype and popularity is screwing Ubuntu Team internally
15:46:40 <Artea> what I know is
15:46:58 <Artea> I just open my artea and admin account and 'root'
15:47:06 <Artea> my account got 11 fails
15:47:14 <Artea> admin got 1149
15:47:19 <Artea> and root got 0
15:47:28 <Artea> but already had a try from China
15:47:37 <nsITobin> but killing downstream centos was all about centos users not paying for subscriptions or not being tabulated with a dev account.. CentOS Stream is for those who persist regardless and they are put to work intresically to make redhat's profits via testing before they release updates to rhel better
15:47:57 <Artea> and a couple days ago, 14,631 fails on admin
15:48:33 <Artea> but that isn't customer issue
15:48:45 <Artea> but again, that is what been this year for
15:48:51 <nsITobin> i use admin as an alias for sudo su - rather than a username
15:48:52 <Artea> fixing old issues
15:49:18 <Artea> I generated my passwords with my bash script
15:49:35 <Artea> but since uses [] \ / ´ `
15:49:37 <nsITobin> why is IBM making anything other than specialized servers and fuckin cash registeres? didn't they learn their lession in the mid-90s
15:49:43 <Artea> and is hard to me to type that on phone
15:49:53 <Artea> used my generate I did in mIRC
15:50:05 <Artea> nop
15:50:18 <Artea> they still an Alley Cat
15:50:48 <nsITobin> in any event.. sure i can make an rpm repo for artifacts and other packages that bolster el8 build vms and el8 devstations and el8 users in general and the best part? It's exactly what IBM doesn't want people to do.
15:51:20 <Artea> that is not happen
15:51:26 <Artea> they can't stick fingers
15:51:38 <Artea> hence still exists Ghettoforge and ElRepo
15:51:56 <Artea> now if you wanna say el7
15:52:04 <Artea> that is another story
15:52:07 <Artea> but again
15:52:21 <Artea> all is available
15:52:29 <Artea> you install CentOS 7 in VM
15:52:31 <Artea> like I did
15:53:52 <Artea> "i need this program... google, version ? ok, official site, old files, there, wget <download> && tar xvf <download> && cd <directory> && ./configure && make && sudo make install
15:53:54 <Artea> "
15:54:40 <Artea> is how 2 or 3 of my guides is
15:55:00 <Artea> get repo and install in 1 single line, with and without key
15:55:44 <Artea> and get latest source file, uncompress and configure and make check/test with install
15:56:10 <Artea> and to be honest
15:56:16 <Artea> good thing they all are doing this
15:56:21 <frg_Away> I understdn the need for making money to do support and development but IBM is one company not getting another penny from me.
15:56:39 <Artea> we got a point that anyone thinks that knows more than anyone else
15:56:59 <Artea> just because "got knowledge" for everything be just a few clicks
15:57:20 <Artea> what is happening to Linux is what happened to Windows 7
15:57:50 <Artea> is "get rid" of terminal
15:57:58 <Artea> everything GUI mode
15:58:20 <Artea> and now, everything related to Computing
15:58:27 <Artea> is very over-saturated
15:58:57 <Artea> that is because of 'scammers' of high techs
15:59:08 <Artea> 2007 ~ 2015
15:59:36 <Artea> CEOs and Company's "face"
15:59:50 <Artea> that is what is happening now, if you notice
15:59:54 <Artea> since June
16:00:07 <Artea> everything got "major updates"
16:00:14 <Artea> go to gnu ftp
16:00:24 <Artea> and you will see alot of old stuff
16:00:28 <Artea> like binutils
16:00:33 <Artea> coreutils
16:00:43 <Artea> that was in the corner full of dust
16:00:50 <Artea> get updated 2 years ago to now
16:01:47 <Artea> and again, isn't just high tech companies fixing this past human mistakes
16:02:08 <Artea> go watch Family Guy S20 or 22
16:02:14 <Artea> and you will see what I'm talking about
16:02:25 <Artea> they mock so hard Disney
16:02:28 <Artea> and Fox
16:02:36 <Artea> yet, they are under them
16:02:53 <Artea> everyone is "under investigation"
16:03:53 <Artea> I saw a RSS text that there is a rumor of Microsoft making a free Windows
16:04:34 <nsITobin> windows has been effectively free from windows 10 on even invalid kms activated clients got free full windows 10 licenses
16:05:30 <Artea> wanna laugh ?
16:07:12 <Artea> not sure if still up, but Mutahar from SomeOrdinaryGamers made a video that Rockstar Games was selling Bully and other old titles in Steam using Pirated versions
16:08:09 <nsITobin> i remember something about how game companies who don't have the source or can't be bothered crack their old games to rerelease
16:08:25 <Artea> not crack, remove DRM
16:08:44 <Artea> they coded SecureROM and other of the time so hard
16:09:08 <Artea> that now without proper subversion / github overlook
16:09:22 <Artea> is mostly impossible to remove 100% DRM
16:09:37 <Artea> GOG is doing a pretty good job with that
16:09:42 <Artea> I loving it :D
16:10:02 <nsITobin> MSE and EME never should have happened
16:10:26 <Artea> Quake 3, good memories and already on Team SP
16:10:33 <Artea> MSE & EME ?
16:10:45 <nsITobin> media source extensions and ecryptied media extensions
16:11:07 <Artea> you mean the coded ones like DivX ?
16:11:14 <nsITobin> i mean browser drm
16:11:31 <Artea> I got a DivX key on my TV
16:11:40 <Artea> where one of Win10 laptops is
16:11:42 <nsITobin> ah divx
16:11:52 <Artea> got the key, went to vod.divx.com
16:12:01 <Artea> make an account, put key
16:12:07 <Artea> got file.divx
16:12:13 <Artea> stick into USB Pen
16:12:26 <Artea> and Samsung T24C300 accepted
16:12:52 <Artea> that was always necessary in my opinion
16:12:58 <Artea> is a way to DMCA
16:13:58 <nsITobin> well I am tired of microsoft, mozilla, apple, google, ibmhat, adobe, and others deciding shit
16:14:00 <Artea> time to time and you may rethink
16:14:19 <Artea> new tech related to P2P
16:14:33 <Artea> there was always a good intend but always used as bad faith
16:14:50 <Artea> Torrents and CryptoCoins are good examples
16:15:00 <Artea> even prior to that, but, that was the big ones
16:15:25 <Artea> because of physical issue
16:15:44 <Artea> if you borrow your only copy of Diablo 2 to a friend
16:15:54 <nsITobin> frg: why are the content widgets not being style by the skin anymore?
16:15:55 <Artea> who says will give you back in 1 month
16:16:18 <Artea> and starts to ignore you and says you are a drama person
16:16:25 <Artea> what makes you feel ?
16:16:39 <Artea> that is the main rotten root of all we talk about
16:18:04 <nsITobin> or were they never styled by the skin only gtk on linux
16:18:37 <Artea> let me open SeaMonkey here
16:19:02 <Artea> I think I still have it installed for alt login for webrpg games from 10 years ago
16:19:23 <Artea> (games not current games)
16:20:23 <nsITobin> i think I am misremembering
16:20:39 <Artea> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.1
16:20:42 <nsITobin> windows i think styles its stuff according to the skin
16:20:55 <nsITobin> yeah I just tested 2.49 i think I misremembering
16:21:07 <Artea> Build identifier: 20240109203033
16:21:57 <Artea> Firefox 115.15.0esr (64-bit)
16:21:59 <frg> nsITobin many theme changes in toolkit between 52 and 56. I think repaired most damaage but not all.
16:22:05 <nsITobin> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1527048
16:22:21 <nsITobin> i mean its A solution
16:24:14 <Artea> anyway
16:24:19 <Artea> Thanks for the talk
16:24:25 <Artea> I sorta need it :)
16:24:40 <Artea> have an awesome weekend =D
16:24:52 <nsITobin> you too
16:25:39 <nsITobin> hell at this point I think seamonkey should just ship its own GTK3 theme and use it..
16:26:27 <nsITobin> or lock its self to the default light like Mozilla did
16:26:37 <nsITobin> because dark mode stuff is gonna be white a while
16:26:48 <nsITobin> quite*
16:28:08 <nsITobin> gonna need this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1411425
16:31:12 <nsITobin> Now I am fine with this for content because realistically content is either gonna override styling or assume predominate windows/mac metrics gtk does not follow that and constant gtk3 widget padding issues with buttons and text boxes have plauged gtk3 since gtk3
17:11:33 <nsITobin> be back
19:14:17 <nsITobin> i have returned with a few provisions to last me until the first
19:34:25 <Artea> was nano aliases
19:34:33 <Artea> and wanted to reply you. nsITobin
19:34:45 <Artea> my admin account is for domains
19:34:58 <Artea> my artea account is support for root account
19:35:18 <Artea> I still didn't figure out the right structure for it
19:35:30 <Artea> previously I made admin be a subaccount of root
19:35:35 <Artea> wait
19:35:37 <Artea> no
19:35:45 <Artea> artea was the subaccount of root
19:35:48 <Artea> one of the two
19:35:54 <Artea> because of usergroup
19:35:57 <nsITobin> Artea: you can reply to me in the channel any time I read and run one of the logbots
19:36:11 <nsITobin> but we do have to be considerate that this is the #seamonkey channel
19:36:16 <Artea> but that was CentOS 7 and didn't exactly made the guide for it
19:36:24 <nsITobin> not the tobin channel.. i have my own server for that lol
19:36:40 <Artea> yeah, I dislike do this, but same time, no big point unless you join my chan
19:37:14 <Artea> lol, how many you want me to do ? either way, I got Mozilla's mail so... I miss Firefox OS tho
19:37:26 <nsITobin> Firefox OS lol
19:37:32 <Artea> hihihi
19:37:49 <nsITobin> i mean b2g was a good idea but poorly executed like xulrunner outside firefox.exe
19:37:50 <Artea> I had a phone with it
19:38:33 <Artea> at least is no "caixa magica"
19:38:52 <nsITobin> well my kaios phone software crashed and refused to do anything but light the screen then I flipped it closed and the lid came off and the battery started getting warm.. so basically my "firefox os" powered phone nearly exploded
19:38:57 <Artea> which was made by Portuguese group and financed by gov with mini computers
19:39:01 <nsITobin> and otherwise literally fell apart after 3 years
19:39:08 <Artea> a big ass fail, most of who adquired
19:39:10 <nsITobin> reminds me of forking the platform...
19:39:18 <Artea> turned into WinSrv
19:40:02 <Artea> I had my fun playing PSX on my Younger Niece :P
19:40:12 <Artea> fun times
19:40:36 <Artea> and hey, Firefox OS can be brought from the dead
19:40:51 <Artea> also, wanna know what background image I have in this laptop ?
19:41:09 <Artea> 2 sexy Anime Girls called Firefox-ko and Thunderbird-ko
19:41:31 <Artea> with a laptop using Opera
19:41:32 <Artea> hahahaha
19:41:49 <Artea> or at least, type logo of Opera
19:42:00 <nsITobin> mozilla is already helping kaios revive on modern mozilla
19:42:13 <nsITobin> they also have merged all mobile projects back into m-c
19:42:14 <Artea> let me upload pic
19:42:19 <nsITobin> inflating it massively
19:42:47 <nsITobin> i wouldn't be surprised if they didn't eventually let b2g back in if they thought it would help the firefox brand again
19:43:18 <nsITobin> but as far as I understand it only reason Mozilla is doing this now is because KaiOS is paying them
19:43:18 <Artea> is ok upload a pic from someone from back 2010 ?
19:43:41 <Artea> is what modified info says
19:43:50 <Artea> ‎quinta-feira, ‎21‎ de ‎outubro‎ de ‎2010, ‏‎11:11:20
19:44:58 <nsITobin> huh
19:45:06 <nsITobin> you do know this is IRC
19:45:15 <Artea> yeah
19:45:24 <nsITobin> k
19:45:34 <Artea> I can DCC send if you want ;)
19:45:44 <nsITobin> yeah i don't have that enabled
19:46:15 <Artea> mine is broken since I still under-configuration of VPS
19:46:30 <Artea> but since 1 IP is about to get deleted
19:46:35 <Artea> and 6 about to expire
19:46:40 <Artea> and no money to renew
19:46:49 <Artea> 2 more days and I'll be gone
19:47:13 <nsITobin> you don't need a VPS to chat on irc
19:47:16 <Artea> Sad but True
19:47:37 <Artea> but need it to get up and some shiny light in my brain
19:47:44 <nsITobin> i had to give up one of my servers
19:48:11 <Artea> I have to pay 13€ for 7 Extra IPs
19:48:34 <Artea> that is allocated to some of main domains to use
19:48:44 <Artea> which is total of 18 domains or so
19:49:03 <nsITobin> so now the BinOC Fleet is Iridium (small) and Bismuth and Gallium (custom over spec'd) Iridium runs dns irc and the main binoc site and gallium is currently running the xulorg BinOC/Code and few other things.. Bismuth is basically as I left it at the end of 2022 save updates
19:49:27 <nsITobin> why do you need so many dedicated IPs
19:49:30 <Artea> December expires 2 domains
19:49:39 <Artea> 2 or 3 in February
19:49:47 <Artea> VPS and some more in March
19:49:52 <Artea> and a couple between
19:50:02 <nsITobin> Well I am abandoning two initiatives I bought domains for and affording them wasn't gonna be easy so letting it go as well
19:50:23 <nsITobin> Artea: but why do you need so many dedicated IP addresses
19:50:37 <Artea> I get most my domains for free or less than 2€
19:50:49 <Artea> right now, I can get 2 .pt domains for free
19:51:00 <Artea> with webhosting and onepage site for 1 year
19:51:07 <Artea> after that, 33€ each domain
19:51:10 <nsITobin> why?
19:51:18 <Artea> promo
19:51:31 <nsITobin> still what do you need so many decicated ip addresses for
19:51:38 <Artea> various different things
19:51:45 <Artea> Heretic.pt Gaming Network
19:51:59 <Artea> vps.artea.ovh / artea.com.pt / artea.pt
19:52:02 <Artea> streamers.pt
19:52:17 <nsITobin> well unless you are running multiple gaming networks needing the same port outside websites you shouldn't need em really
19:52:35 <Artea> doom.pt isin heretic.pt ip
19:52:54 <Artea> the thing is I don't wanna all in same IP
19:53:00 <Artea> vps.artea.ovh
19:53:21 <Artea> I structure all domains for each purpose of project
19:53:24 <nsITobin> yeah use ipv6 then
19:53:25 <nsITobin> lol
19:53:30 <Artea> I have
19:53:30 <nsITobin> lots of IPs then
19:53:37 <Artea> still can't configure that well
19:53:45 <nsITobin> no one can
19:53:49 <Artea> have native one from VPS and free one OVH gave
19:54:04 <nsITobin> i dunno your stuff seems overcomplicated and expensive
19:54:07 <Artea> and around 2 weeks
19:54:16 <Artea> after watching Person of Interest Season 3
19:54:37 <Artea> made me get an idea that could help the countries / ISPs
19:55:13 <Artea> something like: c351:8600:359:256:0:1
19:55:29 <Artea> as c351 = country 351 - Portugal
19:55:55 <Artea> 8600:359 = "postal code"
19:56:14 <Artea> 256 my 'lote' as house number
19:56:31 <Artea> yeah, made bad example of IPv6
19:56:34 <Artea> but you get the point
19:56:48 <Artea> I think would be a good way to countries have they own set of IPv6
19:57:11 <Artea> instead of 2001:*:*:*:*:*:*:*
19:57:17 <Artea> or 21a1
19:57:21 <Artea> 20a1
19:57:24 <Artea> or what it is
19:57:45 <Artea> I saw a couple of IPs now owned by Amazon and rest in Portugal
19:57:57 <nsITobin> I think we should forget ipv6 and reinvest in ipv4 nat
19:58:03 <Artea> which, was pretty much what I do with Extra IPs
19:58:19 <Artea> rabanet.es it goes to my .ES Extra IP
19:58:29 <Artea> not gonna happen
19:58:49 <Artea> most you can get is next gen of IPv4
19:58:55 <Artea> called IPv8
19:59:33 <Artea> I think they are trying to RFC it
19:59:58 <Artea> I tried to find that 2 months ago
20:00:26 <Artea> but yeah, IPv4 now need to be set only for majors
20:00:37 <Artea> and sublink to IPv6 and ng
20:01:04 <Artea> anyway
20:01:19 <Artea> for what a popup for "my admin account is separated to root account"
20:01:26 <Artea> damn hell of talk ;)
20:01:51 <Artea> I may test Mozilla VPN now :P
20:03:07 <Artea> see ya nsITobin
20:03:12 <Artea> and once again
20:03:15 <Artea> Thanks for the talk
20:04:49 <nsITobin> Artea: yep
20:06:00 <Artea> gonna finish aliases
20:06:08 <Artea> maillog⊙acp
20:06:22 <Artea> I think TwitterX ask for it as SASL username
20:06:27 <Artea> fucking dumbasses
20:07:44 <Artea> oh seems now there is search for sasl_username=mandell
20:07:57 <Artea> no worry
20:08:04 <Artea> reverting and erase maillog
20:08:13 <Artea> and ban the ips via fail2ban
20:08:22 <Artea> see ya
23:45:36 <nsITobin> rest well frg