hmm.. well the rustup-init is nice to have as a package so you don't have to go get it or use bootstrap.. I suppose I could split that off to another repo and add the other artifacts which can just be symlinked to ~/.mozbuild.. interesting idea frg_Away

if nothing else it would make el8 build vms simpler to pre-setup

re packages

picom as a non-gnome/kde common x compositor and on el8 can faciliate testing newer nano and bash are just newer lol

honestly i dunno why epel has openbox but not obconf or a non-busted compton compositor

and I have made my home for now on el8 and that is the primary linux system seamonkey is targeting to produce its official linux builds

ok. I probably got it from the initial bootstrap long ago. Now stuck at 1.73.0 thanks to rusts os non-support policy.

i been using exactly 1.76

dunno why that number

had to have been mentioned SOMEWHERE

nsITobin needs a patch and not good for Windows 7 8.1 and macOS < 10.15. So we can't use it.

is building on windows 7 a reasonable expectaion?

given toolchains and crap

nsITobin problem is not building but running. Runtime support for these OS is gone.

in which version of rust?

For 7 they have a new target but not looked into it. Pretty much unsupported.

well I can bump my self down to 1.73

pretty sure macOS support for 11 will go soon too.

wasm

wasn't 11 just released like five years ago?

or am i that out of touch with macos

November 12, 2020

Version 11: "Big Sur"

It was released November 12, 2020.

no it was "like five years ago"

ok apple is doing that now

wonderful

I m not sure if with 1.78 onlly 10.12 is affected. Need to chjeck. I can probably live with this in the end but not with 7 and 8.1 plus servers based on it.

well I am pretty sure eventually I will just BUILD rust-the-version-we-need as RPMs directly I am just not there yet ;)

for linux

and windows

nITobin My mini mac from 2012 supportd only up to 10.15. The are now pushing arm left and right and kill Intel. 2012 is old but it is still a gret one. The lst one with replacable ram and updatebale HDD/SSD.

I got an M1 but like the older much more. And n´macOS now becomes buggy. Even crashed recently somezthing I have never seen with the older versions.

i know the model

it was good

the mac mini

I am ok with arm but not the implemetation. Everything non upgradable and one one pcb. If something fails you can put it in the trash and recycle.

totally walled garden.

arm has ruined the computer landscape as we have known it..

it shouldn't have re-entered the mainstream under the mobile battery device category

it SHOULD have been in full on workstations and laptops before then .. modern arm is so disruptive because it BYPASSED everything and started overwriting stuff from your pocket outward

and that includes your issue with locked down walled garden unrepairable hardware

cause the days of the bbc micro had passed by the time everyone had an arm powered smartphone

ARM follows apple's model because apple is who partnered with acorn to spin off to advanced risc machines

RISC-V is the better future for all but i wonder if we will get there or eventually be forced to use either ancient intel-based hardware or low power green safe secure and effective Consumer Slab 238 Pro

frg_Away: it feels like if everything isn't becoming a cell phone its becoming a set-top-box games console/streaming player and all the set top boxes are becoming more like cell phones or xboxes

I doubt we will something good hre in this lifetime. China might push it to be not bening able to be sanctioned but that is it.

Yeah. I basically stopped buying new gfx and motherboard stuff. Everything after Skylarke seems to be of limited use to me. and gfx cards with only 10/11 support can go to the dumpster. Not a gamer so the old ones re still good enough.

Windows 7 started acting odd the last time I installed it.. same media same hardware same conditions no updates nothing changed.. it just was failing to do stuff oddly

hardware

dust

it may affect Windows behavour

sunspots

I used to open 4 to 6 MU clients

sabotage

who knows lol

now can't open more than 3

if I do, get visual lag

gags everywhere

it's like using Pentium Celeron

dust in the fans

i figure microsoft slipped something in ala apple in one of the small updates years ago to do this

also hot temperatures

nop

but if so

NTLite is a good one to create your own ISO

well TECHNICALLY my system is not windows 7 compatible

Artea: i was using ntlite media from pre-pandemic

brb

another network about to open

windowsclub

windows repair toolbox

search for that

its cool I am on THE LINUX now lol

and "adjusted" to LTSC 2019 for windows needs

also ntlite'd

could also be a known flaw that was just diliberatly unpatched

Artea: do you have windows update running?

one thing that has been complained is that older versions of windows end up taking longer to process/check for updates, no idea if that's happening to 6.1 too, but is it somehow possible it *is* the updater using resources?

running as in the service

njsg: the massive leaking windows update catelog issue?

yeah they released a hotfix for it at some point

and then it came back

nop

I desactivated 2 years ago after a format due to neshuta virus

I've seen it worded as "microsoft deprioritizes older versions when accessing servers" but I don't think I've read anything more in detail about that. At least there *is* a known delay in processing updates because of complexities introduced by having the multiple versions for WOW64

no problem here with 7. use it mostly for testing but for mail in a vm daily. Fully updated.

(There's also the issue of WOW64 being a greatly named thing, but I digress)

i simply can't run windows 7 anymore .. i wasn't supposed to be able to on this hardware at all but I got a good four more years

something I doubt people will be saying in november

where do the amd64 binaries go? System32. Where do the IA-32 binaries go? WOW64. Excellent, no comments, 5/5.

njsg: legacy dude remember wow16 was a thing and system32 was created to deal with it

by the time 64bit became common well have to do what apps expect

i think it should have been System64 Program Files (64-bit) etc

last one where it runs good is Intel 6th Skylark.

leave 32bit in system32 and 16bit in system

^Skylarke

ignore my video card

Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: Rocky Linux release 8.10 (Green Obsidian) • CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600X Six-Core Processor (2.61GHz) • Memory: 30.4 GiB Total (28.1 GiB Free) • Storage: 6.8 TB / 9.4 TB (2.5 TB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Navi 23 [Radeon RX 6650 XT / 6700S / 6800S] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h • Uptime: 2h 21m 4s

nsITobin: re: november and beyond, there's always the chance John Ewards wins some presidential votes...

that ran windows 7 well until 2022

njsg: vote for Bob Dole, Bob Dole's corpse would appeciate the support

lol

For vms 8.1 and up have much better performance so I bsiclly switched to Server 2016/2019 full time. But 8.1 Pro is still in the same game here.

there is zero doubt the ntkernel has performance improvements I wished i could just have on Windows 7 lol

in fact EL 8 with a mainline kernel

i have the linux eq of that now

Wish Red Hat was still Red Hat and not IBM.

if i had the capability at the time.. el6 would be forked into a new OS .. EL8 is basically on track for me to be a remixed soft-fork until EOL and if I don't have anything better by 2030 well guess EL8 becomes mine then

Opensuse LEAp got good in the last releases but is now being phased out for total crap called ALP

yeah and Neal Gompa is now on the engineering board for AlmaLinux he is on the OpenSUSE board he is also a top fedora contributor and knows all my fuckin plans and ambitions.. i wouldn't count on opensuse remaining good in any way shape or form whatsoever its spreading IBM's bs via RedHat to Fedora through him and others out to other $majorDistros and I can do jack shit about it

CentOS 7 is now pretty dead

not even you can install on OVH VPS

it was possible 3 months ago

well OVH lol

but yeah

now most close you have on they list is Alma Linux 8

which I already had 10 formats

just to get used to and relearn all fucking shit for past 8 years with CentOS 7

Well LTSC 2019 server 2019 EL8 are the LEGACY systems left that are still almost completely the product they say on the label

things are changing pretty fast

yeah

because there is always Old Retro Humans like us

CentOS is a dead operating system

I have 2 laptops with Win10 and this one is Win7

CentOS Stream is just RHEL Beta

or RHEL nightly

nah

is a fork

CentOS, Alma, Rocky (I think)

rhel being stream and alma and rocky being stream doesn't get me AWAY from stream

is all forks of Red Hat

think like GitHub ideolism

what you mistake was not CentOS but Fedora

the whole reason rocky and alma got popular was taking advantage of redhat's blundering real centos 8 away but alma nor rocky have any intention but screwing over redhat's profits they were NEVER gonna continue a real centos like project

Fedora is the "nightly / beta"

not remember what channel I read it

but is all about investing projects

CentOS always had the less investment from RHG

they overtook CentOS

Yes if you wanna be Tobin-level pedantic about it, centos stream is a fork of fedora where fedora acts like an alpha channel stream is LIKE a beta channel and rhel is the release.. but centos was a rebuild of rhel which was a str8 fork of a specific version of fedora with a few updated packages

and now they are working like low class employers

Thrre is also Oracle Linux but it is Oracle... :)

(not to saying the real thing since is all my speculation for what I know, pure opinion)

Their unbreakable kernel is just the LTS kernel

and someone 3 weeks ago or so

tried to update Ubuntu

and got pissed due to mini-patch

seems the hype and popularity is screwing Ubuntu Team internally

what I know is

I just open my artea and admin account and 'root'

my account got 11 fails

admin got 1149

and root got 0

but already had a try from China

but killing downstream centos was all about centos users not paying for subscriptions or not being tabulated with a dev account.. CentOS Stream is for those who persist regardless and they are put to work intresically to make redhat's profits via testing before they release updates to rhel better

and a couple days ago, 14,631 fails on admin

but that isn't customer issue

but again, that is what been this year for

i use admin as an alias for sudo su - rather than a username

fixing old issues

I generated my passwords with my bash script

but since uses [] \ / ´ `

why is IBM making anything other than specialized servers and fuckin cash registeres? didn't they learn their lession in the mid-90s

and is hard to me to type that on phone

used my generate I did in mIRC

nop

they still an Alley Cat

in any event.. sure i can make an rpm repo for artifacts and other packages that bolster el8 build vms and el8 devstations and el8 users in general and the best part? It's exactly what IBM doesn't want people to do.

that is not happen

they can't stick fingers

hence still exists Ghettoforge and ElRepo

now if you wanna say el7

that is another story

but again

all is available

you install CentOS 7 in VM

like I did

"i need this program... google, version ? ok, official site, old files, there, wget <download> && tar xvf <download> && cd <directory> && ./configure && make && sudo make install

"

is how 2 or 3 of my guides is

get repo and install in 1 single line, with and without key

and get latest source file, uncompress and configure and make check/test with install

and to be honest

good thing they all are doing this

I understdn the need for making money to do support and development but IBM is one company not getting another penny from me.

we got a point that anyone thinks that knows more than anyone else

just because "got knowledge" for everything be just a few clicks

what is happening to Linux is what happened to Windows 7

is "get rid" of terminal

everything GUI mode

and now, everything related to Computing

is very over-saturated

that is because of 'scammers' of high techs

2007 ~ 2015

CEOs and Company's "face"

that is what is happening now, if you notice

since June

everything got "major updates"

go to gnu ftp

and you will see alot of old stuff

like binutils

coreutils

that was in the corner full of dust

get updated 2 years ago to now

and again, isn't just high tech companies fixing this past human mistakes

go watch Family Guy S20 or 22

and you will see what I'm talking about

they mock so hard Disney

and Fox

yet, they are under them

everyone is "under investigation"

I saw a RSS text that there is a rumor of Microsoft making a free Windows

windows has been effectively free from windows 10 on even invalid kms activated clients got free full windows 10 licenses

wanna laugh ?

not sure if still up, but Mutahar from SomeOrdinaryGamers made a video that Rockstar Games was selling Bully and other old titles in Steam using Pirated versions

i remember something about how game companies who don't have the source or can't be bothered crack their old games to rerelease

not crack, remove DRM

they coded SecureROM and other of the time so hard

that now without proper subversion / github overlook

is mostly impossible to remove 100% DRM

GOG is doing a pretty good job with that

I loving it :D

MSE and EME never should have happened

Quake 3, good memories and already on Team SP

MSE & EME ?

media source extensions and ecryptied media extensions

you mean the coded ones like DivX ?

i mean browser drm

I got a DivX key on my TV

where one of Win10 laptops is

ah divx

got the key, went to vod.divx.com

make an account, put key

got file.divx

stick into USB Pen

and Samsung T24C300 accepted

that was always necessary in my opinion

is a way to DMCA

well I am tired of microsoft, mozilla, apple, google, ibmhat, adobe, and others deciding shit

time to time and you may rethink

new tech related to P2P

there was always a good intend but always used as bad faith

Torrents and CryptoCoins are good examples

even prior to that, but, that was the big ones

because of physical issue

if you borrow your only copy of Diablo 2 to a friend

frg: why are the content widgets not being style by the skin anymore?

who says will give you back in 1 month

and starts to ignore you and says you are a drama person

what makes you feel ?

that is the main rotten root of all we talk about

or were they never styled by the skin only gtk on linux

let me open SeaMonkey here

I think I still have it installed for alt login for webrpg games from 10 years ago

(games not current games)

i think I am misremembering

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.1

windows i think styles its stuff according to the skin

yeah I just tested 2.49 i think I misremembering

Build identifier: 20240109203033

Firefox 115.15.0esr (64-bit)

nsITobin many theme changes in toolkit between 52 and 56. I think repaired most damaage but not all.

i mean its A solution

anyway

Thanks for the talk

I sorta need it :)

have an awesome weekend =D

you too

hell at this point I think seamonkey should just ship its own GTK3 theme and use it..

or lock its self to the default light like Mozilla did

because dark mode stuff is gonna be white a while

quite*

gonna need this bugzilla.mozilla.org/1411425

Now I am fine with this for content because realistically content is either gonna override styling or assume predominate windows/mac metrics gtk does not follow that and constant gtk3 widget padding issues with buttons and text boxes have plauged gtk3 since gtk3

be back

i have returned with a few provisions to last me until the first

was nano aliases

and wanted to reply you. nsITobin

my admin account is for domains

my artea account is support for root account

I still didn't figure out the right structure for it

previously I made admin be a subaccount of root

wait

no

artea was the subaccount of root

one of the two

because of usergroup

Artea: you can reply to me in the channel any time I read and run one of the logbots

but we do have to be considerate that this is the #seamonkey channel

but that was CentOS 7 and didn't exactly made the guide for it

not the tobin channel.. i have my own server for that lol

yeah, I dislike do this, but same time, no big point unless you join my chan

lol, how many you want me to do ? either way, I got Mozilla's mail so... I miss Firefox OS tho

Firefox OS lol

hihihi

i mean b2g was a good idea but poorly executed like xulrunner outside firefox.exe

I had a phone with it

at least is no "caixa magica"

well my kaios phone software crashed and refused to do anything but light the screen then I flipped it closed and the lid came off and the battery started getting warm.. so basically my "firefox os" powered phone nearly exploded

which was made by Portuguese group and financed by gov with mini computers

and otherwise literally fell apart after 3 years

a big ass fail, most of who adquired

reminds me of forking the platform...

turned into WinSrv

I had my fun playing PSX on my Younger Niece :P

fun times

and hey, Firefox OS can be brought from the dead

also, wanna know what background image I have in this laptop ?

2 sexy Anime Girls called Firefox-ko and Thunderbird-ko

with a laptop using Opera

hahahaha

or at least, type logo of Opera

mozilla is already helping kaios revive on modern mozilla

they also have merged all mobile projects back into m-c

let me upload pic

inflating it massively

i wouldn't be surprised if they didn't eventually let b2g back in if they thought it would help the firefox brand again

but as far as I understand it only reason Mozilla is doing this now is because KaiOS is paying them

is ok upload a pic from someone from back 2010 ?

is what modified info says

‎quinta-feira, ‎21‎ de ‎outubro‎ de ‎2010, ‏‎11:11:20

huh

you do know this is IRC

yeah

k

I can DCC send if you want ;)

yeah i don't have that enabled

mine is broken since I still under-configuration of VPS

but since 1 IP is about to get deleted

and 6 about to expire

and no money to renew

2 more days and I'll be gone

you don't need a VPS to chat on irc

Sad but True

but need it to get up and some shiny light in my brain

i had to give up one of my servers

I have to pay 13€ for 7 Extra IPs

that is allocated to some of main domains to use

which is total of 18 domains or so

so now the BinOC Fleet is Iridium (small) and Bismuth and Gallium (custom over spec'd) Iridium runs dns irc and the main binoc site and gallium is currently running the xulorg BinOC/Code and few other things.. Bismuth is basically as I left it at the end of 2022 save updates

why do you need so many dedicated IPs

December expires 2 domains

2 or 3 in February

VPS and some more in March

and a couple between

Well I am abandoning two initiatives I bought domains for and affording them wasn't gonna be easy so letting it go as well

Artea: but why do you need so many dedicated IP addresses

I get most my domains for free or less than 2€

right now, I can get 2 .pt domains for free

with webhosting and onepage site for 1 year

after that, 33€ each domain

why?

promo

still what do you need so many decicated ip addresses for

various different things

Heretic.pt Gaming Network

vps.artea.ovh / artea.com.pt / artea.pt

streamers.pt

well unless you are running multiple gaming networks needing the same port outside websites you shouldn't need em really

doom.pt isin heretic.pt ip

the thing is I don't wanna all in same IP

vps.artea.ovh

I structure all domains for each purpose of project

yeah use ipv6 then

lol

I have

lots of IPs then

still can't configure that well

no one can

have native one from VPS and free one OVH gave

i dunno your stuff seems overcomplicated and expensive

and around 2 weeks

after watching Person of Interest Season 3

made me get an idea that could help the countries / ISPs

something like: c351:8600:359:256:0:1

as c351 = country 351 - Portugal

8600:359 = "postal code"

256 my 'lote' as house number

yeah, made bad example of IPv6

but you get the point

I think would be a good way to countries have they own set of IPv6

instead of 2001:*:*:*:*:*:*:*

or 21a1

20a1

or what it is

I saw a couple of IPs now owned by Amazon and rest in Portugal

I think we should forget ipv6 and reinvest in ipv4 nat

which, was pretty much what I do with Extra IPs

rabanet.es it goes to my .ES Extra IP

not gonna happen

most you can get is next gen of IPv4

called IPv8

I think they are trying to RFC it

I tried to find that 2 months ago

but yeah, IPv4 now need to be set only for majors

and sublink to IPv6 and ng

anyway

for what a popup for "my admin account is separated to root account"

damn hell of talk ;)

I may test Mozilla VPN now :P

see ya nsITobin

and once again

Thanks for the talk

Artea: yep

gonna finish aliases

maillog⊙acp

I think TwitterX ask for it as SASL username

fucking dumbasses

oh seems now there is search for sasl_username=mandell

no worry

reverting and erase maillog

and ban the ips via fail2ban

see ya

rest well frg