so funny story, spectrum has determined once again its my router with the issue.. So I did a test.. I changed the mac address of the router to something assigned to a long dead early linksys router? .. full speed. and it wasn't just the reboot cause I rebooted stuff before I changed it to rule that out as a "fix"

they.. are screwing with me

because I won't give them 7 bucks to have their hacked openwrt with all features removed cheap router assuming direct control over my network

frankly my router does better than the average reported for this model on getting extremely close to full gigabit

likely cause it isn't overtaxed with the wifi

I looked at a new router .. they are as far as hardwired connections conserned functionally no more advanced than what I already have they just have magical versioned wifi upgrades

and an app

:P

just what you need. A router configurable over the internet

well my router IS configurable over the internet I just have it disabled cause well you know me.. I am almost always here

nsITobin yes mine too. Standard fritz box

My router's deficiencies are that as a wifi router it isn't that great but it hardly matters and its ipv6 support is irritating enough I disabled it.. otherwise its been a solid piece of equipment despite its tendancy to cosplay as other router brands

well frg_Away I have been lulled into a false sense of security by a lifetime dealing with comcast and its aquired predicesors.. spectrum is a whole different animal it seems and they are into some not-so-clean tactics

with comcast it was just a friendly game of gotcha here's a promo to make up for it.. with spectrum it is an actual fight to get them to do anything

anyway how do I test this quad zero thing?

nsITobin I entered the address in the url bar and got a different error depending on pref under Windows

I'll get the queue going on my chroot into Rocky VIII and a-test.

suddenly want some 80s music for some reason...

Turn off NETGEAR logo LED

always clean up any instantiated xpcom interfaces

finally build kicked off

frg_Away: with pref false its Failed to Connect with pref true it is Address Not Found

on Linux

WIP Patch Queue

nsITobin sounds about right

so no change needed?

doesn't look like it

sorry it took so long BUT setting up did go smoothly and I got the start of a rocky 8 kickstart file out of it i can refine over time

gitlab wip updated. Sync with 2.53

re-applying updated patchqueue

frg_Away: I am getting a Could not detect environment shell exception

nsITobin did you nuke the old object dir?

yes

Linux or Windows?

linux

rocky 8 chroot env the same one I just built from minutes previously before I swapped the patches out for the updated queue

wip

seems shell is not defined then.

yes

i agree

did SHELL=/bin/bash got through configure but telemetry mozbuild is complaining about unsorted SOURCES

SHELL=/bin/bash ./mach configure

is what I did

0:24.37 ['UnsortedError: An attempt was made to add an unsorted sequence to a list. The incoming list is unsorted starting at element 0. We expected "core/ipc/TelemetryIPC.cpp" but got "HangReports.cpp"\n']

never did figure out how to RIP THAT OUT ONCE AND FOR ALL lol

HangReports.cpp is gone. I don't see any reference left

frg_Away: maybe the patches goofed up i popped em all and reappling

it's not a perfect system but a useful one from all i have read on mq

frg_Away: what patch file removed it?

nsITobin 1722225-1-killtelemetry-bhr-2539.patch

frg_Away: the queue stops at 1619555-PARTIAL-76a1.patch on the mozilla side this file does not exist the kill telemetry patches are after that point

maybe just not added to the index?

in git

Pref off HTTP/2 push

after the web takes over our desktop and http catches up to usb and wifi and processor generations you will find it so much more streamline when you have to decide to get the new Technology 14 (Version 2025-first half)

therube: tell me technology hasn't went from innovation for existing problems to spring and fall fasion wear

frg_Away: case senstive filesystems are case senstive

an additional note: I dislike case senstive file systems.

nsITobin might have goofed will fix

let me make sure I didn't

applying 1619555-PARTIAL-76a1.patch

unable to read 1619555-PARTIAL-76a1.patch

1619555-partial-76a1.patch

yep case senstive filesystems are indeed case senstive

yeahh goofed

easy mistake.. I dislike case senstive file systems for this very reason

I honestly cannot think of a usecase for a filesystem with case senstivity

it just makes typing filenames harder

mkfs.xfs -f -n version=ci /dev/sda

good to know for the future

fixed

did you rename the file or the entry in series file

The file. All the others are uppercase

and its patchday :)

ok stopped at ipdl-start

let's try again

kicked off estimated time to built ~10 minutes

yes it builds FAST on here

best turn the fan on.. getting a bit warm under the desk

this is deff a winter pc

not so well suited to southern us heat

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.20

Build identifier: 20240910144147

hi fellows...

grey_gandalf: hello

somebody around? trying to setup seamonkey to build on my MacBook with 10.9 and macports

I have some ptyhon setup issues

I dunno if I can provide much help but what issue are you having?

I usually hack quite well, but python is not my thing

grey_gandalf currently native building is broken. Only cross compiles work. Needs some more backports.

10.9 is no longer supported too

code taken out

I will try to reinstantiate it

it is a good niche for SeaMonkey... a pity it was taken out btw

grey_gandalf: is there a reason you can't update OS X to something higher?

sure, apple doesn't like older MacBooks :)

anyway, I think my issue is much earlier. I do run

MACH_USE_SYSTEM_PYTHON=1 ./mach build

Latest release 10.9.5 (Build 13F1911) / July 18, 2016; 8 years ago

as far as I know anything which can runn10.9 an update to 10.11

^can update

but also 10.9 isn't that worse than 10.11, so shoudl be easy to patch... I maintanin ArcticFox for 10.6 :)

I get

ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'imp'

python3 is supplied by MacPorts on my setup

ArticFox is based on Tycho originally from Mozilla 38

is "imp" some seamonkey module or a module I should install?

and Pale Moon 24-26's frontend

ArcticFox is current to about Mozilla 48/49 - I am the maintainer/developer... the fork is long ago and I mostly mozilla-ed it and obsoleted tycho

that was largely contemporary to 10.9

Its known broken. I need to fix it but didn't find the time and was/is dependent on having a later llvm. Now that we have a Rocky 8 builder I can finally tackle it but not tomorrow

yes lovely frontend, but it is only single-browser

I always loved seamonkey... since ages, use it on all my systems and especially on mac it has a wonderful look!

so since I got 10.9 to built ArcticFox I want seamonkey too :) I have a 10.11 machine... I don't have modern macs, too expensive

(and also ugly)

grey_gandalf: you're rmottola?

nsITobin: yes

sup

It needs Bug 1516228 among other for this to work again

it is broken in what regards?

I see... that build is much later... my issue is with python I suppse, it dies instantly

maybe I can just install some python port from macports, but I don't know about "Imp"

yes build system is half baked and needs more backports

ArcticFox still uses python 2.7... (something I'd like to fix, but I don't know python.. so it sticks a little bit in mozilla 45 for now)

build system is a headache

2.7 is gone too. Needs 3.7 at least

I have python 3.12

too new

ahahah

and this is too new :)

darn

wait macports has several pythons and I can select them ..

grey_gandalf: one of a couple of us will get the build system settled

porting for 3.12 is underway but no eta

3.11 ?

I just dunno if older os targets are gonna get much if any attention when current versions need a lot of it.. gtk3 windows 10 + 1 etc

and setuptools

sure... not much use. 10.11 is already nice it was "reinstantiated"... the latest that runs on my Macbook. but got another one to test 10.9..

and love it, since it still has removable battery :) easy "fix"

what is latest python I can use? I have 2.7, 3.11 and 3.12

well dedicate yourself to the fight to keep x11 and user choice alive on the linux front rather than play with ancient macos

but I think I can coerce some older python

3.11 with setuptools will work fine

ok

but you will have to bootstrap from esr115

for deps

and i dunno if mozilla does native mac building anymore

They still support it but I think either 10.15 or 11 is minimum now with central

mozilla.. sorry for offending, but really goes a terrible route for Firefox... I dislike mozilla and all choices in past years

thanks to rust too

still faithful to it and will eat dust before using chrome

grey_gandalf: half the issues with supporting old macs is apple keeps piling on arbitrary changes chanegs back removals new stuff to make it literally not worth supporting anything but the current version.. same with windows 10 from the pandemic on and most linux distros .. its industry wide

.. but tested.. chromium works on 10.7 mac... supports almost anything.

works and is compatible....

I just hate the interface, the idea and google... stick to mozilal with my heard

last I checked chromium isn't mozilla.. tho you may have been told otherwise and the webapp design of firefox on central doesn't help

but esr 115 is so ugly... I hate the UI with all my guts

115 is JUST to get build dependancies as a service while they still exist

I do know it is not mozilla.. jsut drawing comparisons.. firefox is getting worse though. I wurstion a lot of things by mozilla

yet at lest seamonkey has a decent UI

and feel free to share ~/.mozbuild/toolchains/*

but obsolete engine, we know

umm how is it obsolete?

it merely does not YET support every google and microsoft mandated web shiney yet

well.. it is mostly gecko 60, right?

you work on a Pale Moon fork.. come on y0

well... try to use one important website: github. It won't work

you know better

I know, the palemoon fork is hopeless too :)

actually it has so little palemoon left, that it is a PM-ized firefox fork.

the very existance of a strata40 style firefox UI on 38 was a product of me. vNext Reserch Part 1

grey_gandalf: I'd strongly consider doing linux on your macs instead of using old macosx

i mean after PowerPC they just became largely overpriced laptop parts taped on an LCD monitor

they ain't special no more

I know... but well I do like older MacOS, so that's it...

ArcticFox used to work on PPC LInux too.. but somehow I broke it. Works on NetBSD/PPC though

so you are mattatobin?

ok with python3.11 things are very different

grey_gandalf: Yeah sorry I wasn't able to help you any on github i was shadowbanned forever

oh, no longer github?

ok, with python3.11 I have a crash inside tooolchain

I wonder if my .mozconfig is correct? amy good examples for mac?

I use the one I have on FreeBSD

pastebin your mozconfig

grey_gandalf its borken believe me. Needs more ports

frg_Away: sure, but you get a failure much much later... I don't start building yet

i think it needs more removals

that was my error, this is my config

not too insane actually

i think you are out of luck

it worked on freebsd 13 with 2.53.18

should update now

my evaulation of the seamonkey build system currently is: "It's a wonder it works at all" it does need more backports or severe cleanup likely both

of course, system compiler might bea in issue, but that would

bail out later

you ain't even near a compiler were that errored out lol

exactly...

I know that native building is broken beucase I tried it on my mini mac some trime ago. I identified a few backports but these were blocked by our old clang CentOS 7 builder

let me try on FreeBSD, I need to update there anyway

FreeBSD should work. It was a macOS issue only

I also use seamonkey on Gentoo... it was patched for build recently.. but IRC is long broken

UNIX_BUT_NOT_MAC ;)

chatzilla is busted why grey_gandalf

wellseveral years ago I could do without firefox, just seamonkey.. these were times! :)

nsITobin: works on windows, freebsd... but on Gentoo it doesn't install even if I enable it as port option. If I isntall the addon, it doesn't load

speaking of I need to get back to my extensions-as-components work..

i actually think I lost those patches

have to do em again

well grey_gandalf since you are obviously an experienced builder when the codebase isn't busted for your target would you be willing to help me determine current build requirements and build proceedures for various targets like the BSDs and gentoo cause I am gonna be revising the build page that has instructions and it would be nice if it was up to date and more detailed like the ones I wrote for Pale Moon's developer site

I can do... I build from packages on gentoo, but could run ab build from source if needed

my freebsd setup is nothing special, but I can share it

I also need to see OpenBSD... and attempt an i386 build

just because offical packages were removed from FreeBSD and OpenBSD - 2 years ago SeaMonley was long unbuildable

I'm not so experienced as you think though - build system is a mystery for me as is the UI

that's a shame.. u'd figure they'd fix them no matter what

is it expected that auto-update on windows doesn't work?

typing from there right now... and update get sinternal server error

huh

frg_Away: I ALMOST have this figured out

something for ewong maybe

how to instruct mach to get anything I want at 115

$ ./mach artifact toolchain --artifact-manifest ../beer.text --from-build linux64-nasm

0:02.85 Setting up artifact nasm.tar.zst

0:02.85 Using artifact from local cache: /root/.mozbuild/toolchains/c0560725ae23de0d-nasm.tar.zst

0:02.85 rm tree: /mozdev/mozilla-esr115/nasm

0:02.86 untarring "/mozdev/mozilla-esr115/nasm.tar.zst"

Internal server error (500)

grey_gandalf: where?

in the update panel when I check for updates

Error Console or Browser Console clear and run again

I do that on windows 7 only, of course. On FreeBSD I do build myself, gentoo comes from ports...

Timestamp: 9/10/2024, 10:57:43 PM

Error: XML Parsing Error: syntax error

Location: updates.seamonkey-project.org/updat…/default/default/update.xml?force=1

Line Number 1, Column 55:

Source File: updates.seamonkey-project.org/updat…/default/default/update.xml?force=1

Line: 1, Column: 55

Source Code:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN">

pastebin

dude

sorry for the strange paste... darn

SeaMonkey IRC is funky with multiline :)

no its just too many lines

yeah i see it

something is messed up on the server side it isn't an instantload and yeah

SO mozilla-esr115 ./mach artifact toolchain --no-unpack --from-build linux64-clang linux64-rust linux64-nasm .. etc

and broken... but last version it did update

I just need the right OS-package combo to get ANYTHING from taskcluster applicable to 115

grey_gandalf: there IS something going on with the sm aus

test: on FreeBSD that said mozconfig started compilation! will take like 2 hours on my workstation with super-slow clang, but.. still a step forward compared to Mac

GCC on FreeBSD builds happily, but fails to run :-P some linking issues

well don't expect a magical resolution there are still bigger fish to fry but knowing current state is important too from beyond windows and linux

I can't build on linux I guess... msvc and all that stuff

you don't need msvc to build on linux

freebsd is continuing... so basic setup is there, need to wait... going to bed then

i am on linux its fine

nsITobin: in theory mingw, but they dropped windows7 and so stopped updating and I don't have all the required stuff. Wanted to use it for ArcticFox too

cross-compiling on pre-quantum codebases is not supported by anyone and experimenal research into it yielded issues largely cause of nsis..

here we go.. finally..

these yaml files have lists of things I can put on the commandline to GRAB all the 115 toolchain artifacts so when they drop off taskcluster i will have em up on the server

yeah dunno why I am on Pale Moon's cross-reference but doesn't matter

I don't know yaml files

but for today, my brain is full

sorry grey_gandalf i was doing both thinking about what you are doing and working on one of my tasks which is to preserve these artifacts then rig up something so seamonkey users don't need to go fetch a bunch of extra stuff

check building another time. FOr today I get that macos build is broken

now that I have the command and all the package names I can grab em all

tomorrow I'll see if freebsd compiled, let's hope! I can report setup in case

goot dnight

rest well

for six months I been trying to work this bs out and I finally did it

just came to me after seeing three related things in rapid succession

./mach artifact toolchain --no-unpack --artifact-manifest ../beer.text --from-build linux64-clang linux64-rust linux64-rust-size linux64-cbindgen linux64-dump_syms linux64-sccache linux64-nasm linux64-node linux64-pkgconf sysroot-x86_64-linux-gnu sysroot-wasm32-wasi

seems vs is protected by some other mechnism from getting it manually not that it matters

I need a better way to consume these yaml files