wanna see how bloated the web is? surf at half a megabit

nsITobin: perhaps you should surf using Links? ;-)

seamonkey loads fast

and its a website

BinOC is slower cause I have a heavy imagemap and a soundcloud player thingy

xulorg loads rather fast

WG9s: surf in seamonkey turn off stylesheets lol

and images i forgot sm has access to permissions to prevent images from loading

nsITobin: was only a joke!

so basically i don't need links.. i have seamonkey with specific settings

i know

and what makes it better is seamonkey can be configured to be a mostly text browser like links

actaully firefox 1.0 back when trying to keep the download size small becuase many had 1200-baud dialup

how dare they break 7mbs for firefox

was supposed to be alightweight browser and is now among the heaviest weight

the browser project and mozilla alike have strayed so far from their original mission and project goals and subsiquent manifesto it is just defacto The Firefox Company to me at this point..

remember: Mozilla is now a SV startup

...or at least a bad imitation of one

i remember there being a target download size for firefox 1.0 was 5 MB we are now at 59MB

was the target size for the win32 installer

nobody is safe from software bloat

but from what I've seen, the Chrome installers are even heavier (if you manage to download a full, standalone installer!)

Just sating the entire idea of what FIrefox is supposed to be has changed significantly since version 1 when it took over the windows browser market from IE

and mozilla folk did not get it decided to concentrate on te WIndows version and sluffed Linux off to the side. redon Firefox took off was peoplle who wanted to browses were scared of the internet, but they had in their mainly an expert and the expert ran Linux and was using either the suite or Firefox for browsing and installed the windows version of FIrefox for them an taught them how to...

...use it.

now windoes users run either edge or chrome and have no interst in FIrefox.

but as I have said before chrome is what firefox was meant to be before Mozilla pissed off the cief engineer hwo lft to go to google and come up with chromium

my 2.53.builds are now all shuffled up-to-date!

k so 1gb plan 69.95 for 2 years .. the promo was suddenly 10 bucks more expensive and they wouldn't honor that third year.. now have to go into town and take one modem back to get an identical modem

WG9s:

nsITobin: hi

hello

default smtp server does kinda suck

but it made sense in the popmail days

but is anything broken except expectations therube

oh, i have no idea, just point out what might be a potential issue. (i've never used Mail.)

therube: you've never used a mozilla email client?

no. only Eudora. & that stopped when google forced oATH2.

unless I am mistaken there is only an issue here of expecting the client to handle everything rather than what it should be TOLD to do but that is why I am asking rather than just default to it and that be the end of it

Oooh, a Eudora user. I used to hear good things about Eudora, but never tried it myself. (I was originally a Pegasus Mail user but switched to Gnus in the late nineties.)

real eudora or thunderdoratheexplorer

i mean it was great thunderbird and mozilla technology were highly regarded enough for eudora to cast off their own codebase and customize and extend thunderbird

Oh, I was not aware that happened.

thunderbird based eudora?

yeah

how it died

Yes, that would've killed it.

People who were sticking with old-school mailreaders like Eudora and Pegasus and so on, would not have been pleased with Yet Another Outlook Clone, which is what Thunderbird has always been.

jonadab: Penelope project

outlook express maybe

and thunderbird's UX hasn't changed much until recently in any radical way aside from style and icans and tabbed.. from netscape 4.

In terms of UI design, the difference between Outlook and Outlook Express is not really significant.

the LAYOUT and FUNCTIONALITY remained largely identical

well .. the outlook bar

vs not having the outlook bar

Oh, I haven't seen _recent_ versions of Outlook.

jonadab: sure you have.. just look at 60% of thunderbird's new design and layout

LOL

No thanks.

Already told you, I switched to Gnus.

I'd like to switch back to pop email

imap is gross

IMAP has a couple of use cases, but they're kinda niche IMO.

At least it's not webmail.

Which is the only kind of MUA the kids these days have ever seen.

Penelope was a decent thunderbird fork effort but i dunno if it satisfied eudora core users and guessing that its dead likely not plus mozilla killing projects

Eudora 7.1. My needs were basic & Eudora filled them just fine. It was light & did the job.

At one point SSL needed an update, & HermSSL filled the need.

My litmus tests for a mail client are A) can it _correctly_ handle re-wrapping nested quoted material, B) can it correctly handle threading on mailing lists when some users' mailreaders send In-Reply-To: and others send References: , and C) does the filtering system have flow control

Though I do also care about the UI being sane.

Most mailreaders can't get past A.

so only getting half the speed I am paying for

so I need another damned tech

cause its .. my stuff again never them

maybe I'll get some patch done today....

maybe

the outlook bar isn't recent, is it? I think I remember it from Office 2000. Or is this a different bar?

But my memory probably isnt trustworthy on this, because I did *not* use Outlook as a client myself. Outlook Express I did, probably the one from the IE6 era.

njsg: I liked the Outlook bar, to the point of cloning it to some VB6 software I made back then

it was introduced with Outlook 97, which... well, was the first version of Outlook

so there is another likely a failed fix lasttime issue in the area .. also i don't even get a spectrum email address

but I have more than enough speed to work at least now