test

123

i was just making sure the logbot wasn't dead again

hi and thought so

123 It'a so wAY ...

easy

hit caps locksomplce in there

anyway seems now for sound check the just keep saying check check I guess perhaps that is because they can;t count to three, making you wonder how they can perform musically

was a joke. l know saying the same word at the same volume actually makes it easier for the sound person.

WG9s: ping?

testing 1 2 3 as fine to see if the mike as working but check check check actually makes it easier to see not only does it work but is it at the correct volume

hi nsITobin

was expecting pong! lol how are you?

pong

doing OK

trying to make sure the patch in bug 1912083 fixed my c-c bug issue on all poatforms.

c-c build not c-c bug

is cc busted again?

no was but becuase of my build time i think m build failed but and hor after my check-in te TB folk landed what i think is a fix

just doing a build to bake sure

so my overnight build failed but i think the TB folk had fixed by the time I oke up

well while I am sure they will ignore it at BEST i did file a bug for the whole nothing but firefox, thunderbird, and mobile can mach run or opt in to null dll blocklist oop

but I am just about done getting my stuff set for 253dev so central is next

nsITobin: so just bad timing between autoland to mozilla-central merge andwhen the TB folks noticed and issue and fix it.

this happns often

but I like to do abuild event hough it appers the TB patch wil fix it an dealtil tomorrow I like to just be safe and do an extra build to make sure

Well my so-called relationship broke down a few months ago with Thunderbird and Mozilla around the same time I was shadowbanned from github ..

those are almost certainly unrelated

.. i hope

nsITobin: the TB people still ike me just I was banned from bugzilla and I should perhaps try to be reinstated since the s**h***e ho banned me no longer works for Mozilla

Seems I had a dust-up with Mike Hoy and he banned me from bugzilla even though I ws prviously one of those invited to Mozilla SUmmits and listed on the kiosk thing outside the Santa Clara office as those recognized for their contributions

well as long as open source is a business manned by drones and not a project run by .. people.. i doubt I will ever attempt to reach out to mozilla personnel again.. I am NOT cut out for THAT kind of interaction least not currently

he got pissed because I reported him to google for spamming my email and so banned me from bugzilla

in todays world u'd be banned from the entire infrastructure ala fedora

time to clone a vm for mzla

EXE File, Los Angeles

MZ, LA

ffs

I'm still on the idea of surgically extract Mozilla away from the State of California

;-)

tomman: shhhhhh

nsITobin: the fedora folk love me.

is that sarcasm?

they don't have any sisue with my bugs complaining aobut things others don;t see

it sometimes takes them a bit but then they figure out the issue

it's kinda nice being able to just go to files.thereisonlyxul.org/build-tools/mzlabld-env and download mozillabuild instead of searching for it resulting in either a wiki page or a newsgroup or hunting for it on not-ftp.mozilla.org

unlike mozilla who don;t like outlier bug reports and think the reporter is just wrong and do not take those complaints as all seriously. If you persist they ban you from bugzilla.

I think half the crap i do is just to make things easier where they should be.. easier

*.banana *.split

sometimes a bug depends on your graphics board or cpu or something they never tested but they just seem to have the attitude you should go away.

a lot of people want me to go away.. it's such a pain in the ass determining if they are right or not.. occasionally they are most of the time not but I can't just ignore it when it comes up..

nsITobin: youtu.be/XMl6HnhFFIA

lol

nsITobin: I bet you did not think anyone here was old enough to get the refernce

well it isn't just that a reference is older there is also obscurity to factor in

there are plenty of late 80s and 90s references I could make.. which seems popular in popculture these days but the ones I'd make would go over the heads of people who grew up along side me watching the same stuff..

could just be a reference to a great desert!

oops i menat dessert

meant

I like references more than abject memes because its more creatively applied because most memes if there was any creativity it ends at that meme's formation and then is just copypasted and parroited but a good reference uses more abstract like a metaphore but less critical and more fun

also bananasplits are awesome

as well

nsITobin: i remember back in my neck of the woods, Friendly's shops had a dessert called the Jim Dandy which was like a banana split on steroids.

And I am not sure that was the nme it was in the day. tried to google and this is the closest thing i could find.

seems like the same yhing but I am not sure yhat was the otiginal name.

i found an old menu and I guess it was a Jim Dandy!

my childhood ice cream shop did "blizzards" way better than DQ a few blocks down did.. mainly cause you could get em done any way you want tho if you exceed the candy amount you would normally get you do have to pay a little extra but whipcream and a couple of cherries were free where the DQ refused this was back when it was little more than m&m oreo and snickers as choices

and I had paid out the ass for a monstrocity banana split once.. like nearly 8 bucks when the base price was like 2.20 but it was so freakin loaded with extras .. I was 12 and I had a 10 dollar bill

damn it!

the diabeetus split i guess you could have called it WG9s

pronounced in the traditional Wilford Brimly manner of course

;-)

I think the name may have been different. when i hear Jim dandy I can only think of the Laverne Baker song that was later covered by Black Oak Arkansas

stpid ass msys2 terminal suppresses output of hg until I ctrlC because i am not getting any output..

and i can't turn it off because then the build output later will be crap

nsITobin: yes hg generaly uses buffered output for steout so if you tailthe file it sill only update if there is an error because writing to stederr seems to also fush stdout but that is probably because i do "> <file> 2>&1"

so I run in backgrund with that and then tail -f the output og

log

I should do a follow up bug to this bugzilla.mozilla.org/632585 seeing as for some reason the canvas method wasn't ported.. bugzilla.mozilla.org/632585

i miss six digit bugs

five digit bugs are the most fun to read tho

I am expanding this files.thereisonlyxul.org/version-control/hg

tomman: what were you saying ;)

well time to see if this vm will build central

seems ./mach bootstrap automatically picks artifact and won't let you a choice "cause it is not interactive" had to do --application-choice browser

rest well frg

jwz.org/blog/2024/08/css-tricks/#comment-251695 oh Zawinski, stay KLASSY

LOL

I'm kinda surprised he doesn't block SeaMonkey or Pale Moon or Waterfox...

but I guess that he just blocks anything that resembles "MICROS~1"

well they did kill his company

Microsoft effectively kills Netscape the company.. AOL kills Netscape the brand.. Mozilla kills the suite, its technology, AND its replacement technology.. and Moonchild kills Borealis before it was even released... Why does everyone hate netscape so much?

and HOW is SeaMonkey still going despite all that?

it's only now that the objective is to go after the people cause you sure can't kill the idea and concept of "Netscape" the suite or the internet as it should be

"That time we gave away our source code" sorry dears.. none of you were there at the time save someone in some corner somewhere and I know for a fact if they could take it back and survive they would.

jwz was there

right tomman

I seriously don't think Mozilla understands why Mozilla and the code exists in the first place anymore

it was an act of rebellion

the concept of Mozilla and the tangible code exists for the express purpose to never let this shit happen.. and it couldn't .. until they changed all the rules

and that is the dark side of Mozilla history

the modern MZLA certainly don't even know the history of Mozilla

as in one company driving out of business to be gutted by a big tech company

THAT is why Netscape 5 source was made public and open source

This is what Mozilla/5 means

I obviously lost sight of that at some point obscured but not forgotten

still half tempted to port Pale Moon to SM253 and release it as-is under the name Daystar

i just can't care enough about firefox code

seazilla

tomman: you do know the origin of the seamonkey codename right?

Not really, I've never really wondered

but now you make me curious

all I know is "well, Mozilla would not let us use the Mozilla trademark"

Well to preface SeaMonkey the brand name != seamonkey the codename which is just the politically correct version of the internal name at netscape at the time "buttmonkey"

for real?

...but then ButtMonkey sounds very like old school Netscape Confidential

...and now somehow my brain translated that as GasMonkey

but that's a whole different trademark

well i doubt in 2024 a broadly adopted *monkey naming scheme will fly beyond historical usage like spidermonkey

not that I wouldn't love that.. cause well the SM version of Mozilla's old usage of the term "hack" or "hacking" .. monkeying around with the code.. which is fairly apt .. some of the time

but $currentPolitics i am sure would get involved if it was done

ah yeah, the Xitters would try to cancel that in no time

case in point: monkeypox, er, "mpox"

oh fuck i didn't even consider it

not that people outside 'merica would care, but alas, this is tech

Yeah i think the suite on cc has monkeypox

:D

i shouldn't say that .. this thing seems absolutely horrific

i haven't read this wikipage in over a decade

good i remembered it