# lsof | grep monk | wc -l

20770

:~(

There are no open SM windows. I X-d out the 3 there were. seamonkey CPU pegged to 50%. :(

over half those open files are fonts

it makes sense a browser would have an open handle to fonts

lots of open files are to Wifi\x20M, but there is no Wifi in the installation

670 lines contain string Hang

should I just kill the pid, or is there a better way to shut it down?

it seems to be tying up about 20G RAM

or maybe 17G

Who in here would seriously help fund training an unrestricted AI on all relevant Mozilla documentation?

and commit history

MrMazda: if you closed everything and CPU usage is high, then I'd say kill

MrMazda: there are a couple conditions where the process can start having higher CPU usage, and IIRC when that happens it also comes tied with the process not terminating

0706|01:25:49 <+Culex> it makes sense a browser would have an open handle to fonts <-- the interesting thing in that statement is that I'm sure some would have the opinion that all fonts should be webfonts :-P

I, for one, find it sad that one needs to have more work to have a font loaded from the local system when it exists locally, and it has been specified as a webfont

njsg: webfonts DO help with cross-platform consistancy.. but there are some cons

I killed, then rebooted, and it seems to be OK

I don't think the web should have "cross-platform consistency" in that regard, I still think that goes strongly against what the web is

njsg: the fact is webfonts can't die until every computer in existances has verdana.. once that happens I won't need any other fonts

tho redhat display is nice

Verdana is a scourge, never used here when I can help it, which is pretty close to 100%.

Droid Sans is my preference, while serif and demis where every glyph seems to incorporate a pure circle get the same treatment as Verdana.

I don't remember since so long thought about, but I may have primary profiles set to discourage or block downloaded/web fonts to favor Droid.

Artsy I don't need

it's kinda hilarious that Google Droid fonts are the new core fonts for the Internet :D

Google just needs to reinvent Comic Sans and the circle of life will be complete

...or maybe not, hipsters wouldn't appreciate it

my preference is Adobe Helvetica, but that says more about font rendering than font design...

Hi nsITobin I am at Bug 1441651 Part 2

I don't know exactly why I didn't get the notice in the browser profile I've been using (perhaps it's NoScript?), but in another profile I got an on-screen notice that Microsoft is now apparently planning to remove the lightweight OWA webmail...

(this is not the heavy takes-several-seconds-to-load probably-requires-accelerated-graphics blue envelope webmail, this is the interface from when the webmail was called Outlook Web Access)

arghh needs Bug 1512990

didn't know they still had the old frontend around njsg

njsg: ask me why oauth2 was what killed Interlink not MCP.

mrnhmath: I think it's only available in exchange-style accounts, not hotmail.com, it's at /owa/ instead of /mail/ and might require an IE6 UA to avoid a redirect

i miss the_bot

he used to gruble about c++ and tell us what bug numbers are

Guess I should break out the ol' crappy php irc bot and get it to resolve bug numbers

frg_Away: 1512990 looks tedious but not overly complicated

likewise for deps of it

of coirse I am assuming the code is reletively applicable as-is

how's the reality of it in compairson frg_Away

need to check. 50/50 I assume

i was also assuming manual porting

part 4 looks tendious

bz has slowed the fuck down

unless its fine for you

HA 502

what

how..

"I accidentally closed a window with >50 bugzilla tabs open", not sure that has ever happened to me but probably yes

no how did THIS patch get uploaded.. I haven't even ever exported this patch

ugh

OH

nsITobin You mean the top one? grabbed it from uxp applied with qpush rebased qrefresh and changed the header to hg.

yeah I did.. and why it got uploaded is due to the poor design of the GTK3 File Chooser (and my habit of calling everything patch.diff)

GTK3 filechooser defaults to "recent files" and its sorting is always messed up..

nsITobin just displayed it in the browser and added ptach to the url.

^.patch

nice trick in case you didn't know this one.

yeah but I did it manually cause it didn't apply cleanly when git tried to apply it

you have superior patching skills

that is why I use hg mq. Way easier to rebase

/mnt/0xA1D/binoc/workstation/projects/hash.patch

Windows data partition.

New rule. No Bugzilla when tired.

will solve everything.

this isn't unprecidented but merely unacceptable ;)

frg_Away: +r but I gotta go to the store and get provisions will return

back

so yeah it is identical

I am gonna boot into winders..

I am in windows now if anyone needs anything tested or whatever

nsITobin: when you said it shows "recent files" by default, is that really gtk+3 (well, if inside seamonkey should be nowadays...) - I'm wondering why don't I have a setting in place for that...

nsITobin: ah yes, sounds like I was right on time for the cue to ask something re: GNOME/linux :-P

that's it..

that's the missing piece

Gnome/Linux

that is EXACTLY what they are doing overall

Thank you njsg

I prefer BinOC/Linux but failing that not existing closer to GNU/Linux than Gnome/Linux

Well njsg SeaMonkeyOS can be a thing

my approach to GNU/Linux is to use it when I mean GNU userland on top of Linux, I think it'd then make sense to use GNOME/Linux, systemd/Linux, etc. And I don't mean pejoratively, I mean to address something that concerns that specific combination.

a small distro who's job it is to ONLY build and run seamonkey lol

although from me it can be hard not to get a bit angry when it concerns the GTK file picker.

well at least KDE just copies one version or another of the Windows Common Dialog

have to give it that.. I GUESS

KDE or Qt?

I think Qt has a file picker that looks like the one from comdlg32.dll. But now that I think of it I don't even know if I've recently looked into what KDE offers as a file picker

(unlike GTK, I think Qt has its own file picker, instead of offering the same thing GNOME wants to use?)

well for qt5 you basically have to use kde frameworks for most modern stuff else it is a slog..

but i believe the common dlg is in qt but kde also has one based off dolphin

or it looked like it

what, requiring kde frameworks, that'd deal a blow to one of the advantages of qt

nsITobin: no idea if this works, and no idea how to edit it without DBus bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1519687#p1519687

I have some settings set but it's gconf, which according to that forum topic must then be gtk+2 too

I don't mind gtk2's file picker

I'm puzzled because given how much that file picker annoys me, I'd expect to have had to configure it already

maybe I just don't use any gtk+3 application where I need to use the gtk file picker

but gnome gimpped the gtk3 one also progressively removed options just like how they progressively break themes cause tthey want to do away with it entirely

i mean njsg this is the same old story

I seriously have come to believe the 2010s set us back 20-30 years

overall

in getting where humanity generally should be getting to socially, technologically, just across the board..

why else would any of us find 10-20 year old tech even if it isn't yet capable of everything expected today is still objectively BETTER.

I can't reproduce the starting in recent files mode, but might be a specific invocation of the file picker (if so compare e.g. with opening a file in composer?), and I hope that dconf pointer is helpful, startup-mode cwd would hopefully emulate the configuration fix I have for gtk+3

every GTK3 file picker ALWAYS goes to Recent Files, refuses to keep sorting correct, etc

oh and maybe I should indeed test with Gimp, might be that then, some do not set the location

it hampers my ability to use gui file pickers

nsITobin: including from inside SeaMonkey?

i dunno

i'd have to boot back to linux to check

but I'd assume so.

this is Fedora 39 gtk3 version uhh.. 3.24.41

of all the GTK3 file managers only nemo works properly in terms of remembering and applying default view and storting settings

it's pretty pathetic actually since stack overflow and everything is full of reports about it and no one does spit

trackers forums stack overflow etc

doesn't the codebase have a XUL file picker? Why can't we use that?

thanks for installing copilot on my machine microsoft...

if you run windows and have vs check the installed components.. I think Microsoft is making decisions on our behalf again about installed software.

nsITobin: I use that XUL file picker every day :-P

ui.allow_platform_file_picker -> false

I think SeaMonkey needs a file manager

component

seamonkey file picker seems to set the inital directory

but it is gtk3

seems like most apps don't bother to keep track of or set where to look for files

including msedge

sound good lol

nsITobin Bug 1512990 is a bit much for this weekend. Part 1 is fine but part 2 needs x changes. I suspect so are 3 plus 4.

ah

more than the dep bug you think?

yeah I am pretty sure Bug 1515437 needs done before 1512990

A 1000 small changes scattered.

yeah tediousness

but is it all applicable? cause if so I can attempt the gruntwork

The python scripts should be done first. Rest might be gruntwork only. Might be missing formatting mostly but makes no sense to format all the directories. Would be needed to be rebased constantly then until we are at 67 with the other directories.

which scripts?

oh part 1

Did part 1. Part 2

Needed only to rebase one small part for part 1

unless I a mistaken part 2 won't work because 1515437 changes stuff from override to virtual

yeah needs to go in first it seems.

I honestly don't know for sure.. its my gut feeling tho

it's*

well Bug 1515437 needs a 100% rebase too

is it just not alined enough?

Formatting again.

oh THAT

... maybe we should clangformat the platform tree leave comm nsFormatted

or selectively format perhaps where needed

the hotpaths

nsITobin that is what I did with js and intl but was more or less already at 67a1

i'd say clangformat dom layout and toolkit as well

mozilla-central/d900e4a27954 small patch tho

nsITobin I am with you but currently need to do it via esr115. Highly manual and needs to be repeated when there are changes.

how would you even do that

syncing the cpp and h files via total commander and then syncing them back. First stel delete the esr115 cpp and h files.

clangformat is a sh*t show. Downloads artifacts so doubt we will be able to have this working in 2.53 anytime soon.

so you are altering esr115's history to produce patches for the modified codebase you produce now

or am i still missing a piece of it

No just the current directory structure. can do a hg revert any time I want

copy over 2.53 files do clang format and copy them back.

OH

right

sounds like a SECOND reason to have ESR115 The Build System Only lol

windows toolchain installation and access to the build system secondary tools from a newer codebase

pretty sure it will get broken soon esr102 chokes. Tried this first. It downloads packages from mozilla which might be deleted and replaced with newer version. This is only really supported on central

frg_Away: well I can do something about that

strip down esr115 to build system only, grab all deps and have them available too..

modify said build system to get em from a RELIABLE store not mozilla

I wonder if I should try to do the clang format from esr 115 with files outside its source tree. Would make it easier.

frg_Away: I dunno if it will allow it..

Unfortunately this totally ignores files which whould not be reformatted like autogenerated and third party oney.

on windows a junction is transparent to msys1.. vista style symlinks however are not

so you can use junctions to link crap in

unless you wanna re-add external source dir support

and old school comm the bastard

I think I am gonna do the esr115 bs stripdown.. heh bs

mozbs

ftr XP_TOBIN is my almost-always-on-craptop and nsITobin is my workstation where I can actually do things aside from browse and maybe watch videos and irc

this is already more annoying than esr45 lol

hey configure completed successfully

had to remove JS configure

its a bit screwy in 115 the js subconfigure it seems

there we go a successful build of.. a few header files lol

now to widdle it down more

I am pushing the stuff to github and will try it on windows after I eat my sandwich

that inital work didn't take too too long at all.. thank you eXPerence!

ohh

bootstrap is dependant on taskcluster/ci

guess I better include it