00:05:50 <njsg> nsITobin: I suppose there's value for some repetition like that *if* it really is compatible
00:06:35 <njsg> if bad UA checks weren't a thing, SeaMonkey could advertise what the current Firefox level is in term of most CSS and JS features
00:06:51 <njsg> but then a few sites will insist in telling you how you're using OUTDATED DANGEROUS DETOUR FORK IN ROAD AHEAD
00:07:15 <njsg> (that's not a reference to forking, but rather to the Tex Avery scene)
11:30:00 <Maniel> Hey, guys, back when 'we' used the Mozilla server for IRC, there was a link you could click to see ant history of the IRC Chn. The link was in the IRC 'page header'.
11:30:02 <Maniel> Is there a similar IRC History link for this iibera.chat IRC chn??
11:30:03 <Maniel> I asked a question about 20 hours ago but there had been no response by the time I logged off so was just wanting to check the 'Logs'.
11:30:05 <Maniel> TIA
12:28:04 <njsg> Maniel: yes
12:28:24 <njsg> link might be in meeting notes, not sure
12:28:44 <njsg> not able to look for it locally now, sorry
12:28:58 <njsg> and yes, there were comments re: UA string
12:30:25 <Maniel> njsg: Thanks .... so now I just need to know what the stock standard UA string is, i.e. does it include a Firefox version as STANDARD??
12:37:56 <njsg> I don't know right away what the default is but according to Tobin it does, i.e. it's "SeaMonkey and advertise Firefox compatibility"
13:47:21 <Maniel> njsg: Ah!! That was what 'The Other Guy' was suggesting was now Standard. Bummer!! Don't you just hate being shoot down in flames! ;-)
16:09:50 <nsITobin> Hai
16:42:57 <nsITobin> hai frg_
16:43:15 <frg_> nsobin greetings
16:43:29 <frg_> nsITobin greetings
17:06:39 <nsITobin> hello jess
17:07:41 <jess> hello!
17:33:39 <njsg> meow?
19:07:54 <nsITobin> make && make install
19:08:01 <nsITobin> ... this isn't my terminal.
19:08:19 <nsITobin> ... or is it?
19:09:13 <njsg> make: *** No rule to make target 'install'. Stop.
19:09:40 <nsITobin> right this is seamonkey.. mozmake -f client.mk
19:10:17 <nsITobin> and then I said it was all because of tonymec
19:12:16 <frg_Away> nsITobin all mach now as in mach build
19:14:07 <tonymec|away> hello nsITobin it seems I pop out of nowhere just half a sec before you utter my name. What was because of me?
19:21:36 <frg_Away> I tink he wanted to string you up
19:26:17 <nsITobin> it's fun, on occasion tonymec|away
19:26:33 <nsITobin> also tend to do that when I am in a good mood and productive
21:10:28 <tomman> After moving laptops here, I'm now facing the sad facts
21:10:29 <tomman> I have no room for my trusty XP box with EOL'd SM 2.49 for email
21:10:33 <tomman> so I need to do what I've been avoiding all these years: move my email to one of my newer laptops
21:10:38 <tomman> 3 accounts in total, plus a defunct one
21:11:06 <tomman> any help? haven't moved email anything between installs since circa 2014 or so
21:11:32 <nsITobin> the nss db migration
21:11:49 <nsITobin> also
21:12:58 <nsITobin> you will want to go through each server in account settings and make sure the directories are pointed to the correct locations.. esr52 stored absolute paths created from reletive paths for mailbox location .. i think newer mailnews dropped this but be mindful of it
21:13:04 <nsITobin> tomman: does that halp?
21:13:31 <tomman> let me describe that old setup
21:14:04 <tomman> it actually used to be a "shared Windows/Linux email setup" with the email inboxes actually located on a shared partition
21:14:19 <tomman> of course paths are different between each OS, but they're not the standard Mozilla paths
21:14:24 <nsITobin> oh fuck
21:14:50 <nsITobin> the inboxes but not the profile
21:14:55 <nsITobin> yeah good luck
21:14:58 <tomman> now, I would be recreating the account info from scratch on the new setup, it would be just matter of copying and replacing the mailbox files, right?
21:15:12 <nsITobin> not for imap accounts
21:15:18 <tomman> these are all POP3
21:15:43 <nsITobin> well you can experiment with a frankenmailbox without risking your original profile so give it a shot
21:15:49 <tomman> one GMail, one Outlook (actually Hotmail), and another from my webhosting
21:15:51 <nsITobin> however
21:15:57 <tomman> I am not moving profiles, thankfully
21:15:58 <nsITobin> do it on same version
21:16:15 <nsITobin> don't try to upgrade AND frankenmangle at the same time
21:16:16 <tomman> ha, the mailboxes are in 2.49.5, I'm on 2.53.18
21:16:35 <nsITobin> recomposit the mailboxes BACK into a standard profile.. then upgrade that profile ye?
21:16:51 <tomman> did the mailbox format changed between .49 and .53?
21:16:59 <nsITobin> dunno
21:17:04 <nsITobin> depends how much got backported
21:18:18 <nsITobin> I would recomposite the profile back into its self.. on dot 49 then upgrade that profile through whatever .53 for nss dbm to sqlite to latest.. it should work
21:18:40 <tomman> there are two problems with that
21:18:50 <tomman> 1) the profile is on Windows XP, which can't run anything past .49
21:19:06 <nsITobin> and your point?
21:19:10 <tomman> 2) the profile include Windows-specific paths, and I do not have other newer Windows setups handy
21:19:37 <tomman> that's what you get when you neglect migrations for a decade :D
21:20:00 <nsITobin> get the mailboxes back into the profile with reletive paths then take that profile and copy it to linux .49 resolve the issues there then upgrade it
21:20:24 <nsITobin> or just burn it
21:20:28 <nsITobin> and start over
21:20:29 <tomman> now I need to recall how in the hell I did that
21:21:16 <tomman> let's first take a look at the stuff outside the standard locations
21:21:32 <tomman> my profile lives at %PROFILE%
21:21:51 <tomman> and my email lives at E:\Thunderbird\whatever\Mail\<server name>\
21:22:26 <tomman> and <server name>\ contains... two sets of files: one with .msf extension and another without extension at all
21:22:32 <tomman> plus msgFilterRules.dat and popstate.dat
21:22:53 <tomman> both that ancient Linux and Windows setup saw the same content
21:23:04 <tomman> OK, let's try something then
21:23:16 <tomman> I'll recreate my least used account here, and see what it creates
22:06:34 <njsg> rust has a linter called "clippy"?
22:08:39 <njsg> tomman: are any of the paths outside prefs.js? if not you could try grepping that and see if it's easy to mass-replace
22:32:32 <tomman> Experiment: successful
22:33:05 <tomman> created the mail account on this profile
22:33:06 <tomman> ensured the server settings were correct
22:33:25 <tomman> then shutdown SeaMonkey, copied mailbox files from old Windows setup to new profile maildir, overwritting existing files
22:33:35 <tomman> start SeaMonkey again, email is there.
22:33:54 <tomman> Just As Planned™
22:34:24 <tomman> the spamfilters will need retraining, but no biggie
22:34:52 <tomman> which means I'll migrate my GMail and Hotmail accounts, and I can finally retire that old box :)
22:59:43 <tomman> And done migrating about 20 years of emails~
22:59:51 <tomman> even managed to recover my address book (abook.mab)
22:59:57 <tomman> done, and done.
23:00:18 <tomman> the more things change, the more things stay the same
23:00:20 <tomman> and that's GOOD.
23:07:15 <tomman> One final tweak
23:07:31 <tomman> how do I change date/time format displayed on Mail&News?
23:12:55 <tomman> https://kb.mozillazine.org/Date_display_format oh, so indeed it's locale-specific, even on Linux
23:13:21 <tomman> and of course Debian uses some stupid abbreviated date formats (without leading zeroes) for es_VE
23:19:08 <tomman> so what I want is this: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/customize-date-time-formats-thunderbird
23:19:12 <tomman> do we support that yet?
23:22:19 <njsg> a problem is I think the localization now comes via some c++ library that uses a different corpus for regional settings, instead of the C library
23:23:10 <njsg> I don't recall what is exactly available in SeaMonkey, I think I recall buc knowing something about this?
23:23:38 <njsg> the library is libicu I think https://icu.unicode.org/
23:24:24 <njsg> I still haven't checked how to customize the CDLR the same way one can customize the GNU C library locale definition
23:24:54 <njsg> in glibc it's a text file, which one can easily hack to regenerate the locale with different settings; there are probably more elegant ways for that, though