03:24:02 <Tre_brock> Is it possible to hide the bottom bar (the one with the browser, mail etc). Also How would I open chatzilla and the Address book in tabs in Seamonkey mail.
11:39:53 <njsg> the latest site I've seen blocking people via akamai is... support.microsoft.com
11:40:30 <njsg> granted, I had a UA override, but still...
11:55:12 <nsITobin> if The_brock comes back tell em .. Window Menu also lists the same components as the component bar on the status bar
13:05:08 <njsg> The_brock wanted it in tabs :-\
13:12:41 <ContributorTobin> then the_brock needs to write an extension
13:12:44 <ContributorTobin> ;)
13:13:57 <ContributorTobin> njsg: do you believe Mozilla created the xul extensibility in an effort to harvist work from unwitting extension devs and once it basically dried up they started defining what extensions should be able to do
13:14:50 <ContributorTobin> when did "Mozilla" the concept turn completely top-down?
13:15:15 <ContributorTobin> 2005, 2008, 2013?
14:58:37 <ContributorTobin> bloop
14:59:22 <ContributorTobin> I should build a device with TOS rocker switches in it that I can program to do actions
14:59:37 <ContributorTobin> like launch commands
15:00:14 <ContributorTobin> sure it could be made of anything but why not TOS rocker switches
15:18:51 <frg_Away> plapp
15:36:01 <njsg> from a PDF: "A good way to make sure your documents are really legible is to test your documents on several browsers."
15:36:28 * njsg imagines a webapp designer "works on chrome 126. works on chrome 125. works on chrome 124. works on chrome 123. done."
15:37:18 <tomman> "works on Chrome, Edge, Opera, Brave, and the browser on my Android cellphone which is likely to be Chrome"
15:39:44 <ContributorTobin> you should test chromium desktop and mobile, windows and linux, test firefox desktop and mobile, and test UXP/SM if it works in all of those you can assume it works in almost anything
15:42:23 <ContributorTobin> safari and apple if you care
15:42:25 <ContributorTobin> i do not
15:43:08 <tomman> "Apple is holding back the progress of web standards", webdevs say
15:43:19 <tomman> because they hate Safari because it's not Chrome
15:44:08 <ContributorTobin> sorry I think you said "Microsoft is holding back the progress of web standards" and then remembered the solution put forth was to become chrome
15:44:18 <ContributorTobin> it worked before
15:44:23 <ContributorTobin> it may happen again
15:44:31 <ContributorTobin> safari may rebase on chromium
15:46:31 <njsg> tomman: I think there are spelling errors in that
15:47:10 <tomman> haha, Apple defecting to Google... well, Stranger Things have happened indeed
15:47:13 <ContributorTobin> I seriously want to split http into web:// and app:// protocols
15:47:21 <njsg> tomman: did you mean?: "works on konqueror, konqueror, konqueror, konqueror and the browser on my Andoid cellphone which is likely to be Konqueror"
15:47:33 <tomman> but... I have my doubts on that one, and I'm pretty much sure the EU will try to put a stop to that
15:47:53 <ContributorTobin> real konquorer or fake
15:48:10 <tomman> but then 10 years ago nobody would have imagined that MS would nuke IE and replace it with "Chrome with 200% extra spyware"
15:48:13 <ContributorTobin> cause real khtml was pretty good .. it is why everyone stole it
15:48:36 <njsg> ContributorTobin: the KDE one
15:48:45 <njsg> not to be confused with conqueror
15:48:59 <njsg> the xulrunner-based Emacs-style gecko browser
15:49:08 <ContributorTobin> tomman: because these are no longer specific corperate entities but a cartel of corperate power structures absuing the infrastructure of their previous incarnations to prevent anyone else from doing anything similar unless they agree with it
15:50:53 <njsg> what was so great about khtml compared to gecko? Or is this really just "one or two big corporations chose khtml"?
15:52:24 <ContributorTobin> njsg: at the time? nothing. Mozilla was the superior engine and platform choice.. someone decided Mozilla wasn't allowed to be a superior engine and platform and i think it was largely the W3C actually which contributed to Mozilla's 180 and helping found whatwg
15:52:57 <ContributorTobin> and google was the funding and the means to do it
15:53:08 <ContributorTobin> Mozilla sold out to google long ago and tHAT is why the world is fucked,,
15:53:23 <ContributorTobin> it all goes back to Google and people giving up their shit for less
15:54:16 <ContributorTobin> Mozilla is the reason why Trident failed in the end but also because they cooperated with google in good faith re-enforced with search partnerships and safe browsing integrations
15:55:15 <tomman> The biggest problem with Gecko was embedding on non-Mozilla products
15:55:38 <ContributorTobin> tomman: at gecko 1.9.x embedding was possible fairly easily on mac windows and linux
15:55:56 <tomman> I can't recall the early history of KHTML, but at some point they decided that making the engine was better if it wasn't tightly coupled to KDE or even Qt
15:56:07 <tomman> then Apple forked it and made WebKit
15:56:13 <tomman> then Google forked it again and OMG
15:56:28 <ContributorTobin> its also under a less restrictive license than Mozilla
15:56:32 <tomman> maybe what Gecko needed was a fork where embedding was the #1 goal
15:56:35 <ContributorTobin> that is why microsoft agreed to it
15:56:40 <tomman> ah well, licensing is another can of worms
15:56:44 <ContributorTobin> because Microsoft does NOT have to contribute back
15:56:48 <ContributorTobin> no one does
15:56:56 <tomman> welcome to FOSS in the corporate world, indeed
15:57:04 <tomman> this is why the PlayStation uses a FreeBSD kernel
15:57:49 <ContributorTobin> Well I understand why GPL with LGPL is a thing now.. tho i still don't agree that shared code should assimilate all other code
15:58:01 <ContributorTobin> but covered code should always be shared
15:58:04 <ContributorTobin> so MPL
15:58:44 <ContributorTobin> but MPL cannot be made into a propritary product where enhancements can be kept internal if it is existing covered code
15:59:09 <ContributorTobin> and that is why Mozilla was not a good target for microsoft google and apple despite already being there
16:00:21 <tomman> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1897608 I forgot Mozilla has a manifesto
16:00:27 <tomman> ...and apparently it needs rework
16:00:47 <ContributorTobin> I seriously don't get how chromium is effectively mit while khtml is lgpl
16:02:59 <ContributorTobin> HOW can a codebase go from https://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl-3.0.html to https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/HEAD/LICENSE
16:05:13 <ContributorTobin> there is no LGPL license attached to chromium sources in their license declairations
16:06:09 <ContributorTobin> has ALL of chromium been rewritten from html/webkit?
16:06:22 <ContributorTobin> tg hur5eildh tgujikrsdhgraed
16:06:32 <ContributorTobin> THAT'S WHY MOZILLA..
16:06:39 <ContributorTobin> Excuse me.
16:06:59 <ContributorTobin> Rust licenses.
16:07:10 <ContributorTobin> I am pissed. Cya later on.