what do you think njsg

I haven't set the link colors back yet tho

Tobin: with that screenshot, you wanted feedback on what exactly?

njsg: lol i am obsessive about my tasks so I already improved it even more aside from using the breadcrumb bar as a menubar and the footer space it is nearly identical now

with the html in adhoc-testing on thereisonlyxul.org

earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us7000mu1p Your Tax Dollors, Hard At Work™

the earthquake map works, but the individual quake info pages won't get past the spinning USGS logo

and their "supported browsers" resource links straight to Angular website!

...which won't render here either

I've been banned from seeing the "you're banned" message :D

(and yes, we had a quake last night, fun)

tomman

Error: SyntaxError: fields are not currently supported

Source File: earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/main.f80a5ec62cd78ca9.js

sup

frg_Away: would it suprise you to know seamonkey has some gtk3 bugs?

no

I a usally doing only Windows and rarely test the Linux build

specifically textboxes and input buttons that are gtk3 skinned have messy metrics

likely some constraining needs done like the dropmarker jazz or something.. tho when designing it does mean I am either gonna have to leave search boxes and buttons either forced to -moz-apperance: none; so it renders with base style or style it my self which is what everyone on the web does these days.

I know I had fun with the dropmarker when I re-added it after removal. Didn't look 100% good. I think too wide t least.

you can see here the same search box because well why redo markup.. on the right where it is gtk styled and on the left as moz-apperence none ibb.co/Mf0Hfc3

if i gtk style it it will do the same thing

but this is not a web design issue but an issue in the widget code or toolkit stylings ala dropmarker

or the tabstrip in uxp on gtk3 being not quite right

I know that styling is a mess in the default theme. I am a css dummy so I passed unless forceat gunpoint. Under Windows 11 eg. the menu looks urgkkk.

that may be entirely due to the window 11 guid in the windows manifest file

if it isn't there

cause UXP had the same issue and then.. it didn't and i didn't see it expressly addressed in the issues

Well Windows 11 isn't ther either so someone else can fix it. So far no one reported it and it can sty this way :)

frg_Away: can't

toolkit styling is in direct path of the patch queue

i suspect

well adding the guid is easy enough and may resolve some issues.. which sdk are you using?

ugh i need a better handle on hg so i can just make my own patch queue to apply ontop of stuff and keep em freshed up

Usually 19041 but have tested 22000 and 22261

cause if it can save work keeping patches fresh i am willing to do more work in busy areas of the codebase

22261 is fine.. 22000 was spotty on UXP in my usage

19041 is also solid

i'd add the windows 11 guid to seamonkey.exe.manifest and use the 22261 sdk and see what the results are.. tho vm results won't help it has to be on hardware

Never had a problem with it is far. For relase builds I stick wih 19041 so far cause there ws a bug about win 7 compatibility with 22xxxx. i didn't bookmark it unfortunately :(

because in a VM windows 11 acts differently

his was in a vm. No Win 11 hardware around.

if there was a bug in windows 7 with mozilla code compiled with that sdk we would have heard about it

When I looked at it the affected code was not yeat in.

^yet

makes sense

I can't stand Win 11. It makes even 10 look good.

yes.. and makes LTSC 2019 look like Windows 7

Well I am on Server 2019 99% of my time. Might switch to 2022 later.

frg_Away: I am seriously forming the philosophy of nothing makes you appreciate the current version more than the next version.

8.1 with classic shell /Open-Shell did grow on me. Seems to me the fastest one. The added bloat in 10 slows all current versions and it gets only worse..

frg_Away: there is no advantage to Windows 8.1 vs Windows 7 save a few kernel tweaks for ssd perforance

everything else is trash or the same

i wonder when kernelex for windows 7 will start happening

that is when I will run windows 7 again instead of another version

Well if you use vms the performance is way better. Otherwise I agree.

frg_Away: i never had any issues with vmware on windows 7 which vm solution?

I use vbox. No issues but on 8.1 and later vms feel sand act nappier.

you are lucky virtualbox has never worked well for me on any platform or system

I have a sorted history with virtualization

mainly, it hates me, personally

There I sorted the link colors.. it is now identical visually with the main site except a menu bar instead of breadcrumbs, a search box, and footer. thereisonlyxul.org/adhoc-testing/thereisonlyseamonkey.html

vbox forever ibb.co/D4k0KMx

what a happy looking environment

Aero was such a consistant and nice style when applied

Yeah I like the Vista one a bit more in some places but otherwise the last design designed. Later ones are all crap.

Vista had the blue/green aesthetic but windows 7 went white or pale blue

I always used an msstyle that had the vista touches added back in

have fun with that notice frg_Away

tip, exclude aero directory

Vista VS is the msstyle I use its great for windows 7

too bad glass8 is dead

grabbed the file. Will take a look later

its basically my entire skin library lol

up to windows 7

Royale Aero, Soft Glass, and Vista VS are the best for windows 7 imo

of those

jwz.org/blog/2024/06/mozillas-original-sin how naive, Zawinski...

maybe YOU should close that tanking nightclub of yours and rescue Mozilla from its ensured doom?

(also, I do not watch Netflix or any kind of streaming media so EME/DRM can die in a fire for what it matters, but then I'm not a couch potato that can't live without their latest gossip factory)

> I haven't watched a DRM-encumbered file since probably 2009. And that wasn't in a browser, it was on a TiVo.

in other words, piracy has always been the solutio

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Hooking sa pc with a borwser to abig screen wonT happen here either. I like to watch trailers and some shrt stuff in the browser but tht is is it.

I don't watch videos on web browsers, full stop

if someone links me to a video, either I throw it into mpv+yt-dlp or I simply ignore it

but DRM... ugh no, in those cases I simply pretend I never got the link

I think it'd be more likely that jwz would show up here to work on SeaMonkey than he rescuing MLZA :-P

next thing I'll typo MZLA as LZMA.

I want to save mozilla

but its off-topic

to firefox

so i can't

njsg tomman

DRM was fine when it was flash and silverlight

not in my open source browser

what is there left to save?

the machinery and drones operating it.. they would be so much better utilized under BinOC Control don't you think?

I mean I would try and save their soul.. buuuuuuut.

njsg: consider JUST how much manhours and infrastructure goes into follow the modern mozilla developer flow vs the version SeaMonkey largely follows when not ad-hoc

following*

you can't just ATTACH a patch to a bug anymore

:-|

right?

I still get the form for that, what are you seeing?

You can just not with SeaMonkey. Bugzilla got enhanced,,,

the phabricator extra layer yadda yadda

but i mean they told me patches have to be done through phabricator and a 2fa verified account

frg_Away: the way they described it literally sent alarms in my head that says: If you agree to this you will be a slave of the system until they drive you out for disagreeing too much

Yes for mozilla and Thunderbird. IanN_Awy has set it up

frg_Away: I don't have a patch to try right now, but it doesn't look different here

I stopped providing patches for the other products.

njsg we don't use phab so you don't see it.

njsg: sorry for the confusion

but yeah to commit to firefox or thunderbird you can't just attach a patch have it reviewed and attach a new one.. you have to use "The System"

ContributorTobin: there's one thing that's probably positive about phabricator. it's not Jira.

OTOH I wonder how different the experience is from Jira. I've used Jira but not Phabricator.

now I am MORE than willing to follow MOST Mozilla Policies and Proceedure, hell I based my own crap on it.. but that is a choice to follow it.. being enslaved to an automated chain of glued together server components when Mozilla is generally known for being terrible at infrastructure integration.. and then the attitude on top of it.. no..

I do not like atlassian

they constantly break and take features away

wait, Atlassian is GNOME?

bitbucket was THE best source for hg hosting with generally github parity in layout and features.. then they added git then they redesigned it to look like a microsoft winrt app then it sucked.. and they ruined sourcetree's ui to boot

isn't jira atlassian?

it is

I meant you said "they constantly break and take features away"

no they are a modern web service company

lol

so yes gnome

and microsoft

and google

and apple

microsoft *adds* features

didn't you hear about copilot+?

meanwhile is it Apple which is reportedly trying to pull a political gambit out of "the EU is why you can't have iDevices with AI. Get mad at the EU!" [people rejoice]?

i mean while I like the stratagy the source is china cause that is who apple answers to

It will be a fun day when the realize the poured in billions will get them not much in return. Even funnier whenthe stock anylysts notice. KI has its uses but...

so i'd rather have the EU than communist china.. but i'd prefer actually if the EU broke up, and china became not communist.

I'm *still* waiting for Microsoft to connect the dots and offer an AI assistant... using MS Agent.

The EU is generally ok. I don't want it to break up. Just some decision making processes need to be changed and the voting policies. Can't be that one country could block everything.

njsg: msagent tech is still out there

i could do it right now providing i had the AI part

i mean I used to play with msagent in vb

njsg: HOWEVER, here is something MORE likely.. attaching clippy.js to an AI

so basically what you are saying CAN be done today

I plead the fifth regarding MS Agent and VB and VBS.

njsg: youtube.com/watch?v=b4taIpALfAo

BASICALLY you want this to become reality eh njsg

including the epic journey

Let's make it happen!

what I should do is make an extension with clippy.js so he can sit in the main window

i'd switch to links the cat and have him sit in the bottom right on the statusbar i would

I just say not doing it is a missed opportunity from MS.

and yes, I'd rather choose Links.

F1 was a cool bot msagent char tho

and I like Bonzi just not BonziBuddy it is not his fault how he was used

pepperoni, swiss, spice brown mustard.. good sandwish

I highly recommend it.