00:20:44 AV1 Image File Format (AVIF) is an open, royalty-free image file format specification for storing images or image sequences compressed with AV1 in the HEIF container format.[1][2] It competes with HEIC, which uses the same container format built upon ISOBMFF, but HEVC for compression. Version 1.0.0 of the AVIF specification was finalized in February 2019. 00:20:52 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVIF 00:21:14 njsg:

00:21:37 idc i miss framesets 00:25:17 you had me until "AV1" 00:25:41 h264 is fine enough 00:26:04 njsg: unless you wanna go back to divx 00:26:11 so it's okay to serve piles and piles of JS and CSS, but heavens forbid if an image has a few more KiBs 00:26:15 maybe install the klite codec pack 00:26:37 I think AV1 is the one taking the encoding hardware requirements up to 11 or am I misremembering? 00:26:43 njsg: but minified 00:26:47 its ok cause minified 00:46:39 did you mean: "unreadable and hard to debug because whitespace is expensive"? 00:47:38 more like unreadable and hard to debug so dont fire me else nobody else can do my job 00:48:20 franstam: no one is irreplaceable 00:58:38 � 01:10:14 okay after a cursory review of the styles and elements both cavendish sourced and seamonkey orginal.. I am confident (perhaps with a little wayback machining as well) synthisize an add-ons site frontend that would match the style you have. 01:13:46 kairo apperently called it artemia .. and it has cavendish elements.. so its brine shrimp bananas 01:13:49 styled 01:14:02 BANANAMONKEY 02:42:49 I love how flexable the BinOC v28 design is.. first it was thereisonlyxul.org and now it is morphin' into seamonkey.. https://ibb.co/vVk1f0n 02:43:33 still needs font metrix changed and some more styling and I need that sidebar as well.. 02:48:04 commandbar gradient needs more work as well .. not a simple 2 color it seems.. 11:44:34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db225xgSNZs 11:55:28 Wouldn't that 7 million $ per year be already enough to pay a team of full-time software developers for developing a web browser... 13:37:44 let me guess, that's about MZLA? 13:53:13 yes 14:01:06 also it's interesting how the common thing between those people who ruin good things intentionally seems to always be the woke ideology 14:03:10 it might make more sense to see this as some clueless person trying to pick ideas that are "in" to promote as part of some corporate strategy 14:03:51 I'm not even sure it'd make sense to see it the way you put it, because then surely they'd have seen *hordes* of people opposing AI in everything and advertising and tracking 15:49:46 greetings frg_Away njsg tomman and everyone else 15:52:27 ContributorTobin hi 15:54:13 I have got to upgrade your domi with my enhancements at some point.. Yes when I am webdeving I fall back to DOM Inspector, the real one. 15:54:57 I need to go back to stylo after js . Not looking forward to it. 15:55:29 You have my respect for sacrafising your life to an inferior rust style system. 15:56:50 Liberation Sans.. seems like I should be able to easily find that webfont 16:00:03 ah I see Verdana or sans-serif 16:00:16 nice 16:00:34 well first you boast that you were able to remove x lines of code because of rust and then you add x lines x 100 in dependencies. Yeah sucsess! 16:01:19 frg_Away: after I learn C i will learn rust. I promise. C first.. C is the lifeblood of systems programming no matter what others try and do. 16:02:57 frg_Away: does it surprise you that a language that requires that was created by an organization seemingly obsessed with filling development time with busy work 16:03:15 instead of development 16:04:26 it creates an atmosphere of prioritising how MUCH you do rather than how IMPORTANT what you do is 16:05:44 I don't need an extensive testing framework with continuous integration of 40 megalibs of js on top of a dozen python dependancies to make an add-ons site .. I just need a few specialized bits, some basic coding, and a few common libraries. 16:06:58 also being a web designer helps cause you can do a complete thing 16:35:53 I think that's enough fonts https://github.com/binaryoutcast/neptune/tree/TRUNK/base/skin/fonts 17:38:45 https://ibb.co/09P8mvF 17:42:30 the menu bar (my command bar) is using a css recreation of the background image used on the website 17:58:26 hai tonymec|away 18:00:01 ContributorTobin: https://drewdevault.com/2019/03/25/Rust-is-not-a-good-C-replacement.html 18:00:41 Rust's biggest problem are the maintainers of the language and its official compiler... 18:01:04 and the language 18:01:24 They just want to break things because their ideology says so. They don't want to develop a sustainable platform for others to write programs 18:02:15 sometimes it does feel like systamatic sabotage 18:03:04 and there are some out for it.. but the real issue always remains the majority of people who just agree with whatever everyone else is agreeing with.. this is how crap like this happens.. 18:03:43 it is easier to agree with someone in the role of expert or professional than it is to look into it yourself and go.. screw this nonsense. 18:04:53 i also get the feeling as things old have been demystified a pushback is happening to remystify how technology is supposed to work or just make it so complex and convoluted no one can be bothered 18:04:59 then we are back to just agreeing 18:07:29 Sompi: also add in languages and systems requiring far more work and complexity than is needed basically fueling a self sustaining endless refactoring endless fixes endless work and an endless paycheck i guess.. 18:09:04 stuff is simply not allowed to be mostly set for maintaince, enhancement, tweaks, and focus be on new problems.. we have to constantly be refactoring, reevaluating, recontextualizing, and rehashing the same old stuff over and over and over again. 18:10:01 and a majority seems imposed for no good reason. 18:25:57 that will do https://ibb.co/b2r3KG0 18:26:53 I been using XUL too long.. my damn template seems as skinnable as a xul application 19:51:43 https://ibb.co/8DM4LGz 19:51:54 I am done for now maybe do more this evening. 19:52:06 sup njsg 19:54:20 least with "liquid" layouts the sidebar can be on the left where it belongs.. my centered layours sidebars on the left don't look as good unless it is global.. for a sidebar that is not always there I prefer right sidebars 20:28:35 CaptainTobin: Liberation Sans shouldn't even need to be loaded as a webfont at least on systems with traces of freedesktop. BUT I think the webfont system is such that you have to explicitly force it to load a font from the local system. 20:28:55 I don't know why is that and I think that's a huge shortcoming, but maybe I've just managed to miss the right way to do it? 20:29:01 njsg: i figured it out.. MOST fonts are set to verdana and sans 20:29:04 only 20:29:21 I am linux so liberation sans is the deemed default sans font i guess.. need to change that 20:29:54 since verdana is the shit.. I have the deja vu webfont playing the star 20:30:11 love me some verdana 20:30:38 okay, which one is the default here 20:30:52 DejaVu Sans? 20:31:02 or so says fc-match 20:31:19 DejaVu webfont would be the default for the layout I code up falling back to of course Verdana and sans if webfonts are turned off 20:31:43 I often switch to Adobe Helvetica for sans-serif when I find a webpage is not so easy to read :-D 20:32:01 on the actual site its Verdana with sans fallback except like 2 things where it is arial 21:37:37 njsg: that is plenty decent enough to start making it work wouldn't you say https://ibb.co/G5B0XVT 21:39:06 also tomman