13:00:30 <njsg> oh now kansalaisaloite.fi is also behind cloudflare?
13:00:51 <njsg> maybe there should be a petition to get rid of this kind of stuff
18:29:31 <tomman> Today's broken website: Hewlett Packard!
18:29:42 <tomman> it wants static member identifiers (static#)
18:30:04 <tomman> got here a semi-dead Prodesk USFF, need to find the service manual, but as usual HP only renders me a WSoD today
18:30:57 <tomman> the entire support site is now a SPA, wonderful
18:31:07 <tomman> I'm glad I just bought a Dell laptop instead
18:36:49 <MattATobin> if I wanna look at HP ux I will just load up CDE which is 90% HP's old unix de
18:37:10 <MattATobin> which of that is about 60% Windows 3.1
18:37:25 <MattATobin> hai the tomman
18:37:29 <MattATobin> how's the tomman
18:37:37 <tomman> Hating Products™
18:38:07 <MattATobin> Hefty Paperweight
18:38:22 <MattATobin> tomman: I win.
18:38:29 <MattATobin> unless......
18:38:34 <tomman> which is exactly what I got today
18:38:52 <tomman> a Prodesk 600 G2 Desktop Mini that it's looping at POST and won't obey keyboards
18:38:54 <MattATobin> shit.. i guess you.. uhh .. win?
18:40:13 <MattATobin> tomman: can you afford a box with airholes about your height and your width.. if so ship your self here and we'll get you a real computer
21:00:43 <tomman> SeaMonkey at 1080p looks.... glorious
21:02:22 <MattATobin> put the modern theme on
21:02:27 <MattATobin> that's my style
21:02:49 <tomman> need to scavenge my instructions on how to integrate it with Debian
22:00:57 <tomman> and turns out my instructions were for Firefox, on Debian Wheezy, over 10 years old, and some steps no longer apply
22:00:59 <tomman> fun
22:14:54 <njsg> HP broke something? Did they host the website on one of their consumer laptops?
22:15:22 <tomman> HP drank the JavaScript kool-aid. HARD.
22:15:22 <njsg> <+tomman> Hating Products™ < MattATobin> Hefty Paperweight <-- I thought long-standing practice was "Heater Products"
22:16:03 <tomman> speaking of Hateful Pieces, turns out that what was wrong with this Prodesk 600 G2 Desktop Mini was... a dead CMOS battery
22:16:06 <njsg> tomman: what does "Debian" mean here, integration also with some DE?
22:16:17 <tomman> turns out this will cause the PC to go very angry when plugged, power on and bootlop
22:16:22 <tomman> --bootloop
22:16:26 <njsg> tomman: does that one at least let you set the time in the BIOS setup?
22:16:29 <tomman> njsg: basically, DE integration
22:16:44 <tomman> Well, after a few bootloops it MAY let you enter the BIOS and adjust things
22:17:06 <tomman> but once you unplug it from power... it will power on on its own and bootloop AGAIN as soon as you replug power
22:17:07 <njsg> tomman: at one point GNOME started requiring desktop entry files, setting the associations from within seamonkey will create some icon-less desktop entries, no idea if that's a suitable starting point
22:17:46 <tomman> https://paste.debian.net/1320070/ these are my latest instructions
22:18:20 <njsg> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1274798
22:19:12 <tomman> 20 years later there is still a lot of black magic, voodoo, and fairy dust behind those DE integration bits
22:19:18 <njsg> (setting the associations will also set protocol and filetype associations the freedesktop way)
22:19:27 <tomman> for example on some setups, integrating with MATE may involve a few logoff-logon cycles for things to stick
22:19:46 <njsg> (doesn't set the other ways such as env variables, though; but from what I've seen, freedesktop doesn't seem to care much about that)
22:19:48 <tomman> while on others It Just Works™ at the first try
22:20:48 <njsg> (also, what I mean really is, going to the settings to create file association does create these .desktop files. Short ones, maybe it depends on the DE.)
22:21:31 <njsg> my notes include:
22:21:34 <njsg> xdg-settings set default-web-browser seamonkey.desktop
22:21:39 <njsg> xdg-settings set default-url-scheme-handler mailto seamonkey.desktop
22:22:28 <njsg> which probably can be used to check if the value has been correctly set too
22:22:55 <MattATobin> njsg: what do I call my new Add-ons Site Software?
22:23:15 <MattATobin> normally I am great with branding but .. i think you guys should choose