man everyone is dead

from 3pm on

lol

I told you, coffee.

njsg: you DO keep telling me that

njsg: so which distro should I install on this server before I install centos stream 9 and apache and start making a better add-ons site

cause I have a pxe netboot.xyz iso i can install.. a number of things

oh my gawd, one of my banks online banking portal hijacks the Ctrl key

I can't Ctrl+T to open a new tab

this bank keeps giving me reasons to HATE THEM HARD

(these are the same bozos from the Clownflare banking sagsa)

its not a website

its a webapp

hey tomman you ever use any multipackage extensions? like more than 1 extension in an xpi?

didn't knew such a thing existed

good not many remember

its a pain in the ass cause the xpi has an install manifest and id its own but when its installed it vanishes after it installs its payload

also sounds fishy when phrased that way

lol

well I'll put centos stream 9 on that vm tomorrow.. it is late

what about banking websites that dont allow u to paste into a password field?

or mandates that passwords have max of 9 digits and must be numbers only?

oh, the bozos won't stop there

I'm trying to pay a service, say, a cable or phone bill

you select provider, subscriber number, and the bank will tell how much money is due

on any sane banking webapp you simply tick the relevant radio box and pay

...not on this one, no sir

instead you get two textboxes: one with the amount due (read only), and another one where you're supposed to type in how much you want to pay

but this specific service provider does NOT accept partial payments!

And you can't copy&paste the amount, no sir, that operation is Restricted For Your Security™

is it not possible to just type the amoount

"we've restricted copy paste for security reasons, but passwords can only be up to 9 [[:digit:]]"

fun.

lame

the complete opposite of security

what security reason is behind not being able to paste?

not being able to copy i can understand

paste?

jesus chirst

CaptainTobin he is not here Should I call him?

i must be a criminal .. cricket won't let me do anything on the website but pay my bill.. everything else requires the app... so i curse and mention something about the total extermination of cricket and then download the app.. it first thing wants my fuckin fingerprint

i am gonna lower the plan to 1gb 15 dollar plan and they can fuck off.. and if I can't pay my bill with a web client then i won't be able to pay.. not only are touchscreens phsyically difficult to use beyond a big fat action button.. but i don't want my billing on a device i can loose and can be remotely compramised by some means

ALSO MEANS i can't put linux on it cause then i can't access the app which will eventually REQUIRE a fucking fingerprint because I guess I am a criminal frg_Away

you hear that Son_Goku

anyway i am over it

Yes frg_Away I would like a meeting with Jesus Christ, please arrange it.

I will see what I can do. Have been somewhat out of favor lately.

well I'll settle for South Park jesus.. he is more popular

> why are you outside killing crickets..

because my carrier's app wants my finger print

2024 is gonna be an odd year

the rest of

frg_Away: I am assuming a centos stream 9 standardish apache and php

setup

I am still in the Rocky 8 camp.

well i need to initally code to what will be in sm's azure fleet

is that rocky 8 largely?

why don't you guys use nginx

CaptainTobin yes. Currently CentOS 7 but 8 is already set up.

well i am already el8 compatible

its just that apache is more complicated and heaviler to run and deal with and opens up a lot of php vulnerabilities because of crap like mod_php

not sure if 9 would work now with python 3 stuff in.

webserver dude

CaptainTobin Infra is mostly ewong. I keep m hands largely out of it. Just touchiing / configuring Windows build server

I will just assume el8 and do nginx first and add apache and make whatever modifications to the target infra once it gets to a point where it can be tested on said target server. Maybe I shouldn't worry as much about making it run on your standardish infra before it runs at all

el8 to el9 shouldn't be an issue if needed and apache is something I have to relearn what I have forgotten and refresh what I remember.. sooo yeah it will be fine.

frg_Away: the python thing has been an issue for building but I won't be on fedora for much longer

I been prepping my elstream 9 setup

My host, afterburst has this nifty bootiso that can basically netboot a whole swath of distro live cds and installers

so I was playing with that and it has a kickstart field which is nicer to use than editing the grub commandline

hi therube

helo mr. tobin

mister eh

lol

btw i got my answer from mozilla tho it didn't go as well as previous encounters on how to tell a webextension .. extension from a theme locale and dict.. it is its a webextension extension unles it has the theme languages or dictionaries with array/object values

i suggested they add a type to the gecko array but ... they ain't gonna

but it didn't go well cause I was being harrassed by some kid who wants mozilla me roytam anyone to tell him how to make Interlink and modern firefox run on xp

this kid i found out is associated with another kid who did a firefox fork with embeded furry porn in it

I tried to help this kid but once that last shoe dropped i dropped him so he will pull crap every time I ask an on topic and relevant question to draw me off topic with bs

because its easy

well xp unlike 7 isdone for me.

I am all for supporting even XP and 7 and 10 .. not sure about 11 tho but I want to do it sustainably.. at this point and due to some design in mozilla code.. code compiled targeting xp running on nt6+ can cause anomolous unreproducable issues.. I treat XP and vista/7 and 8-10 and 11 as different operating systems

at least as different as 9x and nt are

to that end i believe support for CLASSES of windows has to be established because the technological gaps and radically different tech in some cases demands it

this is a consiquence of Microsoft making Windows a Service

i have software designed for the XP era that acts differently on vista7 8-10 and 11

and gets progressively crashier

and at least the way we were compiling the code exposed this situation

so if it was up to me.. latest windows would be default code path with conditional codepaths for older operating systems at build time and a range of supported windows so xp build covers xp and server 2003 a windows 7 build for 7-10 and a windows 11 build. But that is me and its complex but I feel its the only way to do it IF restoring so called legacy capability

or continuing past it being determental to current targets

In general, code that works on XP and doesn't do insanely insecure things, should work on Vista/Seven as well.

8/10/11 are altogether another animal.

yes it should but consider the mozilla tree a hodpodge of glued together ancient and modern bits and then start changing

I would say Windows 10 1809 is the last that could be considered more Windows 7 than Windows 11

I have some things tucked into an xp vm and for some other hardware based stuff set up a laptop. Tat is it..

yeah 10 did go rrelly downhill afterwards with crap added laft and right among other things.

Personally, I have altogether given up on using or supporting Windows for anything at all. I don't deliberately _break_ it, but I'm not willing to test on or maintain support for it either. (Obviously, this is not an option for everyone, and I'm not suggesting it for a major project like Seamonkey, given its huge userbase. I don't maintain anything with that many users.)

I suggest Seamonkey drops windows entirely and makes a Linux Distro with SeaMonkey in it.. or I would if I wasn't gonna lol

Because yeah, 8/10/11 is much more of a pain to deal with than other versions of Windows, including 95/98/Me, IMO.

Admittedly, that's subjective; it doesn't kernel panic / bluescreen anywhere near as much as 95/98/Me (nothing does).

franstam: (for ircbot log) well, it's obvious! if paste is enabled, people will copy and paste! Now, with paste disabled, people can use that password manager from 3M!

SeaMonkey 2.x for Windows 98SE/Me when

I personally find that the Windows 4.10 (and perhaps also NT 5.0?) UI is the most usable windows UI I've ever used. 5.1 (and I guess 5.2?) can get there but already departs a bit, see e.g. the push towards MS Agent in explorer windows

if I had $1M, I would donate them to the project solely for funding a Win9x version so I can retire to the slight insanity of WinMe, instead of the chaos of modern computers :D

for me, NT6.1 is already at "agh why is this out of order" "why does this dialog take so much room?" "why is there no hierarchy"

tomman: hey, I just recently powered again the 98 laptop, I should do something fun with it!

figure out which one of your not-so-old games run on W9x unmodified

(no KernelEx allowed)

minesweeper is built-in

bonus points if said game runs fine on 9x but was released after the EOL of 9x, AND it has compatibility problems with Wine

there's actually some ms. pacman trial there too

newer games? not many I have and I probably don't want to go that route, I already had much fun with game requirements not stating things like "needs windows media stack" or "needs directX 9.0c" :-P

I was surprised to find that Recettear fits the bill nicely - first version came up in 2007, English localization was released in 2010... and yet it runs on 98SE/Me like a champion

just feed a good video card and you're set

and by "good", I mean "not integrated trash, but something from ATi or nVidia"

whynotboth.jpeg

wasn't that the goal of the Video Loca 3000?

(by which I mean integrated \land \left( AMD-née-ATi \lor nVidia \right), not AMD-née-ATI \land nVidia

OK, integrated IS allowed if it is from ATi or nVidia

like the Radeon 7500 on my T40

future.mozilla.org/builders wtr, Mozilla has just become... Y Combinator!?

> A project that fits within the definition of Local AI.

quick, propose a dummy chatbot feature for SeaMonkey, to apply to that sweet sweet Mozilla Moolah™!

This is likely money flushed down the toilet. With the biggies spending billions on AI thrre is probably nothing coming out if it. Likely thing the world does not need like ai generated reports about the unjustice of the world :)

frg_Away: nothing more than even worse virtual assistants, confused information taken as fact because a machine made by a company said it, and generally drive everyone off workstations where none of this belongs and as for AI for code help.. WELL tht is just gonna sabotage any kind of independant creative thought or accomplishment once management mandates ONLY AI can decide

it scares the shit out of me

frg_Away: i wonder if XUL would have been better recieved if Mozilla offered every year to give 100k to an impactful xul project

or anything using Mozilla tech

frg_Away: I figured it out.

Mozilla doesn't have any idea what, where, and how to get AI tech

but they think they need it because google and mcirosoft

so they are running a contest to basically harvist tech

rather than directly create it them selves or assemble it

sounds like something an AI came up with.

also is extremely disappointing to me personally

A mozilla that doesn't create its own tech .. AGAIN is just gonna be a mozilla that fails once the political agenda runs out of use for them. it's so fucking frustrating.

Builders..

so if they are mozilla builders what does that make the people who are running the contest?

it's a really overcomplicated science fair sponsered by a for profit company to harvest tech they don't have yet.

frg_Away: check me on that lol

please

frg_Away: BinOC Server designated Osmium is now being installed with RockyLinux 8. Additionally, I think next reinstall I will switch them all to RockyLinux

MattATobin Rocky is not perfect but can run kde on it and halfway stable.

desktop wise it just doesn't have enough for multimedia systems.. Enjoy KDE 5 while you can if you can.. KDE6 is a shitshow

if the userspace is good I may do my kernel, baseos rocky 8, and everything else custom

but that sounds hard

frg_Away: kde? then you are relying on epel packages being good

yes. Now and thenafter an update I see a hickup so always waiting a bit before installing them.

is rocky 9 based on centos or rhel sources

it seems they areplying cat and mouse with Red Hat.Didn't look lately.

the only way redhat can restrict access to their sources is via terminating their end user license agreement .. in that case you loose the right to use the software and thus have no right to get the source. Redhat offers free Developer subscriptions to everyone as their way out of this so all rocky needs is to reposync the packages and source packages from redhat and debrand.. And if redhat terminates someone soley for that then I hope the gnutards

and bsdtards will rip them to shreads and end international business machines

Rocky Linux strives to follow Red Hat Enterprise Linux and CentOS Stream within reason. As such, Rocky Linux releases should follow fairly close to our upstreams.

BUT the real issue for rhel downstreams is.. rhel ain't much better than centos stream in 9 as near as I can tell because centos stream 9 is just redhat linux beta put out to get free labor before their employees have to fix anything because a customer complains.. also to screw everyone.

Redhat Enterprise Linux is just CentOS Stream with the former support window

it isn't built or designed to be like RHEL 8 was

and Redhat Stream is just called Redhat Enterprise Linux now

... what did VerticalScope do with XenForo styling now

they're using dimension-less svgs?

njsg: all modern browsers allow svg's of any size, don't wanna dimention shame

frg_Away: I suspect rocky8 is fine for server use without much to expect vs alma8 or former centos 8

speaking about forums

skyscrapercity.com/threads/noticias…nal-x-edici%C3%B3n.1434365/page-421 can you see the oversized "Like" icons there?

obscuring EVERY post

in fact, it's not just the Like icons, apparently many icons are rendering at stupidly high sizes

including "Like", "Share" and "circled up arroW"

yesterday said icons were rendering just fine

today that changed

?

cause my last borealis build no longer has svg issues

yep, those icons are SVGs indeed...

they're /inlined/ SVGs

here is one of the offending ones: <svg xmlns="w3.org/2000/svg" fill="none" viewBox="0 0 24 24" class="california-icon " width="1rem" height="1rem"alt="Jump-to-quote"><path fill="currentColor" d="M12 5.5a6.5 6.5 0 1 1 0 13 6.5 6.5 0 0 1 0-13M12 20a8 8 0 1 0 0-16.001A8 8 0 0 0 12 20m3.281-9.031-2.75-2.75a.747.747 0 0 0-1.06 0l-2.75 2.75a.75.75 0 0 0 1.06 1.06l1.469-1.47v4.691c0...

....416.334.75.75.75s.75-.334.75-.75v-4.69l1.469 1.468a.75.75 0 0 0 1.06-1.06z"/></svg>

so yeah SeaMonkey has a bug

a mozilla bug

I am shocked and appulled personally tomman

lol

note that it defines a viewport, but not a size (and one is not applied either on any stylesheet

now that I recall, I hit a very similar bug many years ago... on Internet Explorer 11!

well i dunno if it can be patched as easily in sm code and if it is it would be one of those post-patchqueue patches at the end for release and frg doesn't wanna do too many of them and I don't blame him

I can't recall how I addressed that one back then (it was on a new version of a webapp that never shipped but I was developing)

but it involved using SVGs

--it involved editing the SVGs to define a size somewhere

and also enforcing that size on CSS

but the weird thing is that these icons were working fine yesterday, I guess these forums deployed some new Xenforo update?

likely

tomman: that's precisely what I was talking about

maybe they changed names, but the owner was VerticalScope or the like

.califorina-icon{width:32px;} might be sufficient for ssc

so far it had been a site that can work well without JS, at this point I'm not even sure if CSS hacks are required for usability or not

one thing they screwed recently is that the quick reply box now is only one line tall...

although if all they did was add SVG to existing buttons, it's probably better to just hide these elements

I mean, in that case they're adding nothing

(so far the ones I'm seeing are all icons next to text hyperlinks, I'd argue the text is much better)

the svg size (width?) bug itself has been mentioned here some time ago, probably months

(probably something that relied on newer code)

update: from an open tab of an earlier version of XenForo at SSC, they didn't add SVG icons, they replaced webfont icons with SVG icons

used to be font awesome 5 pro in ::before

Bug 1768593 in mozilla land?

which is based on Bug 1733559 so not sure.

Trying to see if I can find what I was recalling, I can't find it in ircbot so far, I just see one about some SVGs rendering 0 by 0

in my history I think the closest one (based on subject) would be bug 1521882, I need to check if I wrote anything down about this somewhere...