15:52:29 <therube> is https://www.newegg.com/ awol for other (SeaMonkey) users today ?
15:55:01 <frg_Away> therube shows up here
16:12:06 <therube> odd.  i'm getting (bogus message)
16:12:07 <therube> Access Denied
16:12:09 <therube> You don't have permission to access "http://www.newegg.com/" on this server.
16:12:10 <therube> Reference #18.d569dc17.1716912628.512bae4
16:12:23 <therube> let me try clearing cookies...
16:13:32 <therube> nope, didn't help...
16:14:05 <therube> different Profile & same (bogus message)
16:14:25 <njsg> therube: blacklisting by akamai
16:14:44 <therube> i'm in USA, odd. (FF does [still] work.)
16:15:05 <njsg> oh, I don't think they exempt the USA
16:15:37 <njsg> if you want to test, I think reports of that included the wapo and the usps, so if they're still behind akamai you can see if it's more site-specific or if there is some wider block in place
16:16:09 <njsg> changing UA may help, visiting with another browser might help, but no sure way
16:16:10 <therube> akamai would be blocked, by default (NoScript).  Allowing it, did not help either.
16:16:36 <njsg> if your internet connection assigns you a different IP, try reconnecting if possible, changes might then be just that you got some blacklisted address
16:16:53 <njsg> but with that error format, it's definitely akamai.
16:17:45 <therube> UA worked, setting general.useragent.override
16:18:07 <therube> i throw in a site specific UA
16:18:19 <therube> s/i/i'll/
16:24:39 <therube> FF 111.0 fails, but 112.0 works
16:25:15 <therube> Firefox/112.0 SeaMonkey works, but if i change it to, Firefox/112.0 SeaMonkey 2.53, it fails
16:25:55 <njsg> There's always the holy grail of UA strings.
16:26:04 <njsg> If you try MSIE6, what happens?
16:26:59 <therube> & this works, Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/112.0 SeaMonkey/2
16:29:02 <therube> & PaleMoon works with a UA of:
16:29:03 <therube> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Goanna/6.6 Firefox/102.0 PaleMoon/33.0.1
16:29:39 <therube> which uses a FF part of 102.  in any case, newegg are morons for this.
16:32:35 <njsg> oh, and I can reproduce
16:32:46 <njsg> and sadly I regret to inform that IE6 does *not* pass
16:32:54 <njsg> (the UA, not the browser)
16:33:01 <njsg> s@UA@& string&
16:34:26 <njsg> hm, not so easy to test, once I fiddled a bit, it stopped giving me the "access denied"
16:34:32 <njsg> : "NCSA Mosaic/1.0 (X11;SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m)"
16:34:37 <njsg> works too but might be just that.
18:02:37 <tomman> FWIW Newegg fails here from Soviet Venezuela
18:02:52 <tomman> but I'm used to sites giving me Access Denied errors due to Das Sanctions™...
18:03:49 <tomman> your loss Newegg, I'll continue shopping at Amazon and enriching Jeff Pesos even more~
18:29:17 <MattATobin> love when scripts work.. finally.. https://postimg.cc/sQZh1Fpn
18:29:37 <MattATobin> I am switching to el9 until snowball is sufficiently developed
18:29:46 <MattATobin> so no more seamonkey building insanity
18:29:51 <MattATobin> i have to do on here
18:32:21 <MattATobin> I have to believe a decently functioning LTS kernel combined with centos stream user-space should provide a decent enough base once I .. provide the missing bits vs my fc39 configuration
18:32:43 <MattATobin> and when rhel 10 comes around.. I will still have xorg
18:41:28 <MattATobin> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhh fuck it.. SeaMonkey is the official Default Internet Client of Fez Enterprising Linux
18:41:33 <MattATobin> lol
18:42:12 <MattATobin> there now I HAVE to help.
18:42:21 <MattATobin> no choice it's the default!
22:14:52 <Sompi> http://paste.dy.fi/oAH/plain
22:15:15 <Sompi> Kela's technical support doesn't know why F5 bans some of the users in IP-level
22:15:46 <Sompi> Also seems that they are not going to fix it
22:20:40 <franstam> maybe they can engage f5 support
22:24:24 <Sompi> franstam: I don't think they'll do that
22:25:01 <franstam> ok
22:25:17 <Sompi> no-one cares, no one is in charge of it when something doesn't work
22:25:19 <franstam> is it cos f5 support sucks?
22:25:38 <MattATobin> eh?
22:25:50 <Sompi> They outsourced the webhosting and now it isn't their (Kela's) problem anymore
22:26:26 <Sompi> And I cannot contact F5 directly for something that only concerns Kela's website
22:27:08 <franstam> lol
22:27:30 <MattATobin> hi franstam
22:27:42 <Sompi> No-one knows why it gives me an IP-level ban
22:27:53 <MattATobin> are you a malicious hacker?
22:28:07 <MattATobin> cause I heard malicious hackers get banned all the time
22:28:22 <MattATobin> so what nonsense did they use to treat you like what Sompi
22:30:12 <Sompi> This is the typical shitstorm of modern society where everything is digitalized and then the digitalized service is outsourced to some random company in the USA and no-one knows how anything works anymore
22:30:36 <Sompi> They say that I'm the only one who has this problem (IP ban) but I don't believe that
22:31:24 <Sompi> More likely a typical user doesn't even realize that they are being banned on the IP level, because they lack the necessary skills to troubleshoot it
22:31:32 <Sompi> And they never contact the technical support
22:34:24 <MattATobin> Sompi: start a blog that way you can link us and we can spread it around and maybe make a difference.
22:35:05 <MattATobin> in other stuff... and completely off-topic as my stuff tends to be.. this is how linux should work.. go get a window manager a file manager some sort of dock in this case the modern windows-like winbar and boom you have a "Computer" https://postimg.cc/Yj7QkBMd
22:35:27 <MattATobin> not 379 kde packages and deps
22:36:06 <Sompi> xfce4 is not yet infiltrated by microsofters
22:36:12 <Sompi> and rusters
22:36:55 <MattATobin> he is off justifing xwayland rather than saving xorg or helping with a real x11 fork.. basically.. forget em
22:37:55 <Sompi> linux should be like DOS but with multitasking, memory protection (when the CPU supports it), pipes, sockets, signals and stuff
22:38:10 <Sompi> initrc is the autoexec.bat in linux
22:38:19 <MattATobin> you CAN do that
22:38:37 <MattATobin> i mean of course you have modern multiprocessing but that's fine.. up to right nowish anyway
22:39:36 <MattATobin> Sompi: but sysvinit will do fine for the time being on my from scratch project
22:39:49 <MattATobin> i have to stay with systemd on this cause it is redhat based
22:40:49 <njsg> Sompi: have you had any luck with figuring out if there is an issue on Elisa's side?
22:41:18 <njsg> that MTU length thing would have been a shot in the dark, and I really didn't see anything else that sounded possibly related so far
22:52:40 <njsg> Kela's response is a bit broad in that they only mention browser names... when they say part of older devices work too, which *versions* are they aiming at? (I'd perhaps ask them what's their policy on Windows NT 6.1 and NT 5.1 systems, too)
22:54:19 <njsg> Sompi: but in your case I wonder if it's possible that Elisa is doing something not so good, or if there is some network compatibility issue, or if Elisa is doing something that is OK but somehow triggers filtering at F5
22:55:00 <njsg> the "weirdest" here might be how it only fails sometimes, have you ever spotted anything that might sound like a pattern that explains that?
23:03:36 <Sompi> I made a packet capture file with wireshark
23:05:34 <Sompi> http://sininenankka.dy.fi/~sami/asd/kela_etusivun_latausongelma.pcapng
23:06:03 <Sompi> at first it works fine and makes those client hellos
23:06:22 <Sompi> then the server suddenly stops responding
23:07:28 <Sompi> That's when I try to load the front page
23:12:29 <Sompi> using firefox
23:56:41 <MattATobin> Sompi: you know scanning networks is looked down on
23:56:49 <MattATobin> and using wireshark scares people
23:56:54 <MattATobin> with scary hacker info
23:56:58 <MattATobin> only hackers know
23:57:19 <MattATobin> you seriously have to baby people when you go past a certain technical level