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Sompi
what is this new thing about, that many sites have a gigantic ohm symbol or a magnifying glass symbol on the top of the page
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Sompi
and then it is removed by javascript afterwards
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Sompi
why do they do that?
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tomman
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tomman
surprisingly the comments are not falling into the "too old, UNSAAAAFE DANGER MINES" typical BS we get from HN regarding Firefox forks
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tomman
also, people apparently still use the HTML editor, nice
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tomman
a couple idiots say the UI looks "ooooold and stale", tho
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tomman
and another moron suggests integrating "AI"
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tomman
also, one request for a native ARMac version
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tomman
and this one takes the gold: "It would feal so great if whoever owns Netscape now could donate the trademark to Mozilla to use instead of SeaMonkey :-)"
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tomman
ah, some dude complained about the Chromeisms and got promptly downvoted by the HN hivemind
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MattATobin
no no no nonono
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MattATobin
do NOT give mozilla the netscape trademark
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MattATobin
it should go to EITHER SeaMonkey
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MattATobin
... or me.
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tomman
apparently some "Apollo Management" owns the remnants of the Netscape brand
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tomman
not AOL, not Yahoo, not Verizon, and not Meta (anymore)
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MattATobin
...
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MattATobin
that upsets me
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MattATobin
hi Libera Staff Jess
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jess
hiii
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ContributorTobin
tomman: people really like the editor? WHY it is the most old unfixed up bit of the suite
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tomman
maybe because it doesn't contain JavaScript vomit?
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ContributorTobin
unless frg added customizable toolbars recently it doesn't even have that.. tickbox customization
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tomman
dunno, some people still likes to write things
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ContributorTobin
heh.. I should just do a patch for editor customizable toolbars because well ratty just ain't here to do it is he
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ContributorTobin
be a good learning excersize between the binding the converted binding and whatever thunderbird is using now
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ContributorTobin
and has user benefit
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ContributorTobin
i'd like --disable-mailnews and --disable-composer at build time
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ContributorTobin
configure options would never have been so suite
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ContributorTobin
or not .. your choice
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ContributorTobin
is my idea tomman
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frg_Away
IanN added some stuff a while ago. Main toolbar can now be customized
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frg_Away
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ContributorTobin
one day these PRACTICAL conserns won't get in the way of creative coding .. surely there has to be a way that works cause we have thousands of unique examples where it doesn't.. so it MUST narrow it down
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ContributorTobin
well shit
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ContributorTobin
i miss the vista toolbar background
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ContributorTobin
like realllly miss it frg_Away
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ContributorTobin
I always liked to think bits of aero design like this evolved from people stealing shit from the Modern Skin
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ContributorTobin
I mean glass shine aside the color balance isn't that far off
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ContributorTobin
also I am now convinced the only issue with tthe default icon set are those lackluster navigation buttons.. everything else looks great
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frg_Away
I still think they could use some more contrast and less fuzz. Still look a bit like from a care bear movie.
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ContributorTobin
HEY composer *IS* customizable cool
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ContributorTobin
reload is the worst.. its so dull blue when the save disk has a very pleasent blue
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ContributorTobin
the arrows indeed could be greened up and crisp up a bit.. the stop button just looks too saturated but also too soft on the edges somehow
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ContributorTobin
frg_Away: any chance I can convince you to make the stop button a traffic light?
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frg_Away
Need to convince IanN I am not sure we should tinker. Rather fix the functionality first and maybe give it a do over. I also would like to use svgs for better scaling
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tomman
anyway, it surprises me how civil has been that HN thread about SeaMonkey
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tomman
so far it hasn't diverted yet in the usual "old browsers are a security threat and everybody should use latest Chrome"
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tomman
(last time Pale Moon got a thread, half of the comments couldn't get past that meme)
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ContributorTobin
old and insecure is a way of life... for about 8 years
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njsg
Sompi: gigantic symbols are because of some default width when rendering SVG. I think it was discussed here a long time ago (months, at least), with a bug number. At least if the symbols remain there, just smaller.
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njsg
0419|14:07:54 <+tomman> also, people apparently still use the HTML editor, nice <-- composer does seem to find a few users. I wish I had a clear idea of how to solve the save status and the cell merge issues...
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Sompi
I have used LibreOffice Writer many times to convert some word processing document to HTML. Probably should have used Seamonkey Composer for every one of those cases...
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njsg
converting from "word processing" easily gets tricky with all the formatting or if styles are not used, I don't recall how verbose LibO (or OOo) is.
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njsg
From me that'd probably involve latex2html. or perhaps the html export in org-mode
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Sompi
It would be nice if every rust module in SeaMonkey was rewritten in C/C++
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njsg
tomman: oh wow "why not vscode". Maybe this should become a meme with "I'm considering using EDIT instead of EDLIN" "Why not VSCode?"
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Sompi
C/C++ is so much more portable
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njsg
Sompi: the problem there is the effort that it'd take. I think the main reason why there is rust is so that it's easier to port later changes to SeaMonkey
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tomman
njsg: but that would render the Emacs joke obsolete: "Eight Megs And Constantly Swapping"
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njsg
tomman: I personally atest that that should really be EGACS.
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tomman
no, that's VSCode :P
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njsg
or Emacs running erc!
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Sompi
njsg: I know
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njsg
(at least that was how I hit something close to that)
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njsg
Sompi: ah yes; yes, I'd like too if Rust could be avoided here
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Sompi
But I hate rust. It has made many open source programs practically unportable and unnecessarily heavy
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Sompi
I remember when Firefox worked on "everything"
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Sompi
There was builds available for all kinds of weird target platforms
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Sompi
Now everything is just x86-64 and ARM
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Sompi
"I really like the concept of SeaMonkey, but the project needs some major UI updates and way more love to be relevant today."
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Sompi
"Strong agree. Concept sounds great. The UI looks like something out of 2005 and that's just not okay. It simply cannot be relevant while looking like that and updating its UI would not have to cause any loss in functionality. It's honestly a waste of time for devs to be working on something that looks like that, since you're cutting out half your audience."
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Sompi
:(
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Sompi
They didn't even say why the UI is bad, other than it "looks old"
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Sompi
I have only one complaint about SeaMonkey's UI, and it is that the charset menu is the nerfed version and not the original that Firefox had in 2005
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Sompi
bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica3/internet409.htm <- I was disappointed that SeaMonkey was not mentioned there, instead just some proprietary clients that have arbitrary limitations...