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njsg
Sompi: still doesn't work. huh. I wonder what's going on
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Sompi
njsg: Their HTTP response says "server: LiteSpeed"
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Sompi
So it's not F5 this time
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njsg
let me see if I can try via FCCN
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Sompi
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Sompi
also some discordism, they have a "Open Source" page there but that LiteSpeed is not actually open source
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njsg
just to discard DNS as a possibility, is this resolving to 94.237.117.184 there too?
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njsg
(not that it sounds incorrect, it's part of a block registered to a company with an address at Aleksanterinkatu
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njsg
doesn't work via FCCN either, so it's also not ISP-specific
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njsg
sorry for the off-topic, it's puzzling that it does not work, but probably completely SM-unrelated
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Sompi
Yes, it resolves to that same IP address
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njsg
maybe they're geo-blocking, but geo-blocking a site about public transit in PKS doesn't sound like a logical move
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Sompi
pushing things forward is not about making logical moves
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njsg
I'm curious about this, I'll see if I can test other browsers and connections here and maybe then also ask UpCloud and/or the city of Helsinki (if there's a contact for that)
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njsg
(ha, whois only lists contacts at Elisa)
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njsg
heh, even got an error page from the proxy I was using to try to connect
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Sompi
literally every public sector organization is breaking their websites on purpose, and they say that it is because "otherwise russians attack our sites"
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Sompi
I don't really believe the official reasoning
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njsg
while HSL's page can be used with SeaMonkey, I'm appalled that without JS I get, what, *one* piece, apparently one of the "newsitems" in the page. nothing else?
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njsg
some links are there, though; looking at the source, it seems to have some of the content in json?
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njsg
reminds me when the "new" reittiopas launched, replacing the old one which IIRC worked without js, or at least was lighter (I don't recall exactly anymore), and also supported more names for places and stops
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Sompi
The new normal is that almost nothing works, even with JavaScript enabled and when using Windows and Chrome
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Sompi
kaupunkiliikenne.fi seems to work for me, for now
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Sompi
It seems to have some code that detects when the browser console is open, and everything on the page stops working
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Sompi
But when the console is closed, things start working again
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Sompi
More and more pages are becoming like that
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njsg
why does a website for a public utility and what I think is also a public company (owned by Helsinki and Vantaa?) do *that*...
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Sompi
because some tax-funded committee somewhere has decided that it is a good thing to do
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njsg
(that ownership info is based on fiwiki, but makes me wonder why isn't Espoo in it too? Or is the Espoo part under Länsimetro Oy?)
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Sompi
also that kaupunkiliikenne.fi website is crap
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Sompi
horizontal scrolling is restricted (probably by some CSS property) and the page does not fit on my screen
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Sompi
this is also something that is becoming very common
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njsg
it must mean it's smartphone-ready!
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njsg
sad how much of this could be different if just some people at specific companies did do things a bit differently and then it'd catch on and be implemented in "frameworks" and so on
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njsg
be it graceful degradation for lack of chromeisms, or supporting non-big and non-small and/or non-high-resolution displays, or showing content without javascript
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njsg
it seems that thanks to google there is now a push to try to "game" google's ranking in ways that make javascript-based rendering or delayed content injection a "must"
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skejg
help
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MattATobin
skejg: I am not the help you requested but I may be the help you need. What's up?
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MattATobin
frg_Away: the latest patch queue do you have some specific areas you would like thrashed?
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MattATobin
in testing
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skejg
MattATobin: sorry, that was a typo :)
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MattATobin
okay lol
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frg_Away
MattATobin have a bigger update but not ready yet.
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frg_Away
I think testing can wait till this goes in. SpiderMonkey till end of 64a1
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MattATobin
well I am free to build on demand now assuming I am not otherwise occupied lol
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MattATobin
what happens when sm is functionally eq to esr68?
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frg_Away
should be easier to put later stuff in then
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MattATobin
is 68 really a milestone in that regard, I haven't looked recently so I don't remember
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frg_Away
not really.
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MattATobin
oh yeah frg_Away does sm-gecko have prefers-color-scheme in?
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frg_Away
But need to overcome the reformat in 65
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frg_Away
I don't think so
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MattATobin
ah .. what is the plugin situation?
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MattATobin
is npapi important to SM?
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frg_Away
npapi is 200% gone. Nothing left.
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MattATobin
oh you killed it
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MattATobin
murderer
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MattATobin
lol
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frg_Away
yeah with pleasure. This and binary add-ons are the only removals I fully concur with mozilla.
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MattATobin
i disagree about binary xpcom
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MattATobin
but I would
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MattATobin
besides once you get static components binary xpcom kinda becomes a pain in the ass
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MattATobin
does mean calendar MUST be an integrated component not loaded by extension-means tho
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frg_Away
I see it more as a security risk.
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frg_Away
Calendar binary components are in since 2.49. Otherwise still an add-on.
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MattATobin
i see it as a security risk too cause its all still being called extensions when that term doesn't even mean what we mean it to mean.. the term mod/modification would be more apt and convey the increased sense of responsibility in the user and not on the project
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MattATobin
and I would still put XUL Extensions and XPCOM security record up against activex and modern chromium bs any day
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MattATobin
once most system locations for autopickup and the actually ask if this should be enabled crap happened.. the danger for bad actors with xul tech is an ecosystem problem NOT a technology problem
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frg_Away
yes. things like the clipboard and new file apis are something I really don't want in.
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MattATobin
and what did Mozilla do towards the end of the xul ecosystem.. allow it to become a wildwest flooded with junk jetpack extensions and always broken service-dependant extensions
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MattATobin
buuut that was then.. most people forgot what they had in concept if not in practicality.. time to remind em I think
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MattATobin
You do know frg_Away the closer you get to an ESR the more feasable it is to wholesale slap spidermonkey on top the codebase it gets
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frg_Away
xpcom changes would break most add-on I suspect. So need to be selective
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MattATobin
this would be so much easier if spidermonkey was still a seperate project
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frg_Away
yes
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MattATobin
damn it I am gonna need cpp skills.. ugh .. basically just write a jsapi shim that forwards to spidermonkey as a lib and the shim provides missing functionality
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MattATobin
That is quite a response
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MattATobin
lol
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MattATobin
well something to keep on the back burner if i aquire such skills