00:01:20 <a-865> https://archive.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.53.18.2/ does not exist
06:34:58 <nanotube> a-865: i noticed that too, filed a bug report https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1888557
10:39:03 <njsg> Tobin: I think enabling a langpack vs. having a localized build has some differences, the latter have that language set, I'm not sure about which parts are affected, probably at least updates (which will get an updated localized build instead of the updated en-US)
10:40:07 <njsg> hardys (for ircbot): it's probably not permissions, but a matter of adding entries to directory listings, and adding some of the listings too
10:43:47 <WG9s> so my question is which behavior is correct?
10:44:01 <WG9s> wrong channel
16:09:51 <Sompi_> Now even imgur is broken on Seamonkey. It worked yesterday, now it just throws errors to the browser console
16:10:20 <MattATobin> which errors
16:10:36 <MattATobin> can you seek out which mozilla patches are involved?
16:10:42 <Sompi_> Seems to be different errors on each page load
16:10:59 <njsg> oh, that's awesome...
16:11:30 <Sompi_> Sometimes it does not even get any errors, but it keeps loading something from googleanalytics and it never finishes
16:12:09 <Sompi_> That'
16:12:16 <Sompi_> s also something that very often happens on Firefox
16:13:12 <njsg> Any chance "Er.OR.at" is Array.prototype.at?
16:14:03 <Sompi_> I don't know. I got that error on the two first page load attempts but now I get completely different versions of the scripts
16:14:21 <Sompi_> Now I get just "SyntaxError: bad method definition"
16:15:13 <njsg> I get that one from btloader.com, which seems to be some ad tracking service behind cloudflare
16:15:25 <njsg> and also "TypeError: Er.OR.at is not a function" from a js file served by imgur
16:15:53 <Sompi_> Why does a failing javascript from an ad tracking service break the entire page?
16:16:13 <njsg> it probably doesn't
16:16:31 <njsg> that's one the things about checking the errors, there might be errors that don't affect
16:16:55 <njsg> the actual error might be swallowed by some JS code that doesn't handle it correctly but doesn't want to spit out the error
16:21:16 <Sompi_> It's almost like those JS library maintainers want to make things as hard as possible to the browser developers, on purpose
16:22:53 <Sompi_> Maybe they work for Google
16:23:26 <Sompi_> Or just think that it is a cool thing to write a JS error handler but then they don't test it that it actually works
16:25:23 <Sompi_> actually I haven't updated to 2.53.18.2 yet
16:25:33 <njsg> or maybe they're oblivious to the impact
16:25:46 <njsg> there are things that are simpler in new syntax but break compatibility
16:26:05 <njsg> what's sometimes silly is that these things could very well be written and then transformed into something more compatible
16:26:33 <njsg> I think mastodon.social did this, arguing that .hasOwn was "simpler"
16:27:11 <njsg> (I sometimes wonder what the hell is on their mind, Mastodon seems to be constantly shooting its own feet with decisions like these and its UI "design")
16:27:56 <Sompi_> Why does Mastodon need JavaScript?
16:28:15 <njsg> it apparently is very hard to design something that serves static content and doesn't requires a huge amount of memory and CPU for a tab
16:28:20 <tomman> Sompi_: because it was written by webshats
16:28:52 <tomman> imgur is working fine here, but I'm using some recent nightly
16:29:00 <tomman> wehat did broke was mastodon.social
16:29:05 <tomman> it loads but it's missing the styles
16:29:38 <tomman> https://mastodon.social/@jwz/with_replies example
16:29:43 <tomman> I see no errors logged to console, tho
16:29:55 <tomman> and the network panel shows nothing failing to load, it's all 200s
16:30:11 <tomman> > Content Security Policy: Couldn't parse invalid host 'wasm-unsafe-eval'
16:30:14 <njsg> so it doesn't render styles well even with hasOwn?
16:30:15 <tomman> that's the only warning I get here
16:30:27 <tomman> njsg: it renders no styles at all
16:30:37 <tomman> build: 20240218171502
16:30:46 <tomman> wait, that nightly is stale :D
16:31:31 <njsg> that was from when you switched to it because of hasOwn, right?
16:31:52 <tomman> IIRC I installed it a month ago
16:32:59 <therube> Sompi_: urls of some broken imgur ?
16:33:01 <therube> this works, https://imgur.com/iB1tCpg
16:33:03 <therube> if it's video, could be different situation?
16:33:28 <njsg> could also be it's serving different content based on the UA
16:34:57 <Sompi_> therube: https://imgur.com/xGa3OyZ
16:35:49 <therube> on my end, if i need to go there, i only allow imgur.com & media-lab.ai
16:36:17 <njsg> tomman: that calls for more debugging that I can't do because there's one browser profile using loads of RAM because of some bloated webapp that can't manage without using that much...
16:36:36 <njsg> s@I can't do@& right now@
16:38:03 <therube> Sompi_: i see 'remove background image using python', so looks good to me
16:38:42 <therube> if you're not blocking, throw in uBlock Origin & see if that makes a difference
16:39:04 <therube> if you have that & still issues, there is NoScript...