09:42:36 <njsg> I wonder if Pertti Jarla had troubles with Cloudflare too... https://www.hs.fi/fingerpori/car-2000010292068.html
16:11:40 <therube> so google (gmail, webmail) forced me to enable JavaScript today, & let me tell you, what utter crap the JS version is
16:16:19 <njsg> ah, so it hasn't changed
16:16:31 <therube> ah! you can't open a message in a tab! really?!!!
16:17:19 <njsg> tabbed browsing is out of fashion!? next thing they'll bring in IE5
16:33:19 <therube> well, at least with NoScript, I can allow JavaScript @ mail.google.com & still keep JavaScript disabled at google.com
17:52:22 <CaptainTobin> intersite-tabbed-browsing is out of fasion
17:52:39 <CaptainTobin> tabbed browsing for different sites and more importantly apps is just kinda langishing
17:53:17 <CaptainTobin> they are out of ideas cause everyone is adding left tabs or tree style tabs or button style tabs.. I just want tab style tabs or no tabs at all
17:53:23 <CaptainTobin> therube njsg
17:54:22 <CaptainTobin> they are also retrying every variation of tabgroups they can come up with
17:54:35 <CaptainTobin> frankly this makes me want to just go back to one window per
17:54:55 <CaptainTobin> or just have basic 2002 tabbed browsing and nothing else
18:07:30 <tomman> ha, Chrome Explorer 95
18:50:25 <andr01d> yea, tabs never really recovered after mozilla fucked the plugin developers that other time...
18:59:57 <MattATobin> allow me to rephase that so it doesn't sound like it came from my off the PM forums.. "Yeah tabs have never really recovered since Mozilla miscalculated ux design trends and the need for application modification level extensiablity and they continue to be headstrong about it"
19:00:00 <MattATobin> andr01d:
19:01:59 <tomman> "tabs? Who need tabs on cellphones?"
19:02:01 <MattATobin> ironically if one deals with the release train and whatever work to make it your own.. forking firefox is actually EASIER since you don't have to worry about xul extensions being matched to the UI markup.. tho at some point UX changes will break webextensions it will just have to be super radical of a change vs changing the order of the menuitems busting extensions
19:02:12 <MattATobin> tomman: single screen window switching
19:02:15 <MattATobin> so no one
19:02:17 <MattATobin> no one at all
19:02:31 <tomman> thus, why I do not browse the web on cellphones, AT ALL.
19:02:40 <MattATobin> and if firefox focus had multiple instances and just like five more options it would be a great basic mobile browser
19:19:14 <njsg> 0315|18:07:27 <+tomman> ha, Chrome Explorer 95 <--- with VBScript on windows so that you can load Clippy?
19:19:33 <tomman> you mean Copilot and Cortana?
19:20:00 <njsg> if you want to feed that into the agent, sure
19:20:01 <tomman> ha, I miss Visual Basic... but I don't miss VBScript at all
19:20:11 <tomman> Clippy vs. Cortana: FIGHT!
19:20:32 <tomman> why noone has made that Celebrity Deathmatch episode yet!?
19:20:33 <njsg> JOSHUA: The only winning move is not to play. What about a nice game of chess?
23:07:05 <MattATobin> njsg: We're human.. what do humans do when the odds make shit practically impossible? Humans.. cheat.. sometimes by smashing it with a rock sometimes by computer code.
23:26:09 <tomman> computer code can also be smashed with rocks :)
23:26:55 <MattATobin> as long as that remains true.. I think I can bare to deal.
23:54:26 <tomman> https://mrwve.com/ this site has become unusable not only with SM, but even with vanilla FF ESR
23:55:00 <tomman> this is Venezuela's largest private shipping service...and its website has become a no fly zone for Mozilla products, even up to date ones
23:55:18 <tomman> sometimes it fails to render at all, you only get a Baby Blue Screen of Death
23:58:08 <MattATobin> banana
23:58:12 <MattATobin> sorry
23:58:21 <MattATobin> just don't have a good response
23:58:56 <tomman> When it renders, some of its features are unusable
23:59:03 <tomman> For example the price calculator
23:59:12 <tomman> it's broken in SM and FFESR with different errors
23:59:48 <tomman> on SM I only get a (caught) "Network Error", on FFESR the petition is blocked due to bad CORS headers or something