05:15:20 I'm pissed off 05:15:46 ... windows refuses to install and update its self properly now 05:16:25 to hell with it.. 05:16:31 linux from scratch is better 05:16:32 lol 05:16:46 hi tomman 11:23:06 have you tried windows 98 instead? 11:23:07 * njsg hides 11:23:45 (hey, it should install blazingly fast with an SSD and fast memory, although that does leave you in a hardware compatibility hell of sorts) 14:54:05 my Win98SE setup lives on a SSD 14:54:27 it's constrained to the ancient UDMA66 bus speed, but having gotten rid of latency is always a win 14:55:11 the danger zone for 98SE/Me is Socket 775 Prescott / Pentium M era 14:55:33 nowadays what are the points to take into account? setup option to try to bypass the memory issue, and the option to force-enable ACPI? 14:56:15 tomman: SSD through some PATA converter? 14:56:53 I've seen that idea floated a couple times recently, one was for a laptop, another for an iPod, I think 14:57:40 njsg: in my case it's a SATA SSD over a SATA-to-PATA bridgeboard 14:57:48 and it's the latter that will give you pain 14:57:56 some chipsets hate those bridgeboards 14:58:11 I tried to convert all of my two PIIIs to SSD 14:58:33 a PCChips M756 mobo from the trash with a SiS 630 chipset worked fine with one bridgeboard, but rejected another 14:59:16 while my Compaq routerbox with a i810E (the "E" is for "ewww!") rejected every single bridgeboard I threw at it - the drive would read the data from the wrong locations 14:59:40 bridgeboard's what, on PCI? 14:59:49 no, it's a SATA-to-PATA board 14:59:54 SATA in one end, PATA at other end 14:59:57 oh, right 15:00:07 and forget about using those if you need CHS 15:00:21 for those the reason is even more silly: SATA HDDs don't seem to support CHS addressing at all 15:00:31 so no SSDing the cheap way your 386! 15:00:48 it's a shame CompactFlash is insanely expensive in this country :/ 15:01:01 (but that gives another "attack vector" to solve this: how easy is it to get a compatible PCI controller for SATA or M.2?) (emphasis on "compatible", as if it requires a too new PCI version...) 15:01:20 PCI SATA HBAs are nearly unobtanium in this country 15:01:27 also, I'm kinda short on PCI slots right now :/ 15:02:30 Unless if I could find a equally unobtanium PCI multiport Ethernet card :D 15:02:31 ah yes, one of the issues with PCI, although that one especially if the motherboard has PCI express, there has to be some balance and... well. 15:04:50 PCI cards you won't find in Venezuela neither for money nor love: video cards of nearly any vintage, NICs with more than 1 port, ATA HBAs (in both flavors) 15:05:35 stuff that is dicey: SCSI HBAs, non-trash PCI soundcards, NICs with chipsets other than Realtek 15:09:23 I should have NICs with more than one port, but of the kind you can only use one at a time (and you have to tell linux which one... because apparently that driver is set to assume it's the 8P8C/baseT) 15:18:28 ha, found one for $10, 2 port 15:18:34 ...but it's 100Mbit only :/ 15:19:36 last year I bid on a PCI-X server card, 2xgigabit ports, for $15 (apparently most PCI-X cards will work on ordinary PCI slots, there will just be the extended pins overhanging the slot) 15:19:47 sadly the seller became unresponsive and ended with no deal :/ 16:45:38 welp 16:45:58 njsg: if i was gonna run oldos(tm) it would be win2k 16:46:26 also.. LFS Chapter 7.3.1. Mounting and Populating /dev 16:46:47 :P 16:48:28 SeaMonkey OS? 16:48:31 lol 16:58:53 Tobin: if you are looking to run win 10 and haf updates work then the best idea is to shrink the isnows os partitio enough to provide a 1 Gig patition for the windows recoverery patcituon and then rinstall sin 10 and it should all work 17:00:19 ig there is a current win recovery patition you would need to delte that also before the install 17:01:36 well near as i can figure something is corrupting the windows update store before it applies any os update from december on 17:01:41 but only on this system 17:01:45 my craptop is fine 17:02:41 i wasted a day and a half and nine dollars in flash drives .. i am gonna build linux from scratch instead.. ch 7.7.1 ;) 17:04:01 my goal is to boot and also compile uxp through modern mozilla.. but not -run- em .. not yet 17:04:35 there is also a hiiden direcoty on windows if you remove the the update woks let me see if i can find the post 17:05:12 NO DIRECTORY ON *WINDOWS* is hidden from *ME* 17:05:14 ;) 17:06:52 no directory, no registry key, nothing short of digital signature enforcement can prevent me 17:07:13 from access anyway 17:12:26 supposedly if you remove the hiddne directory C:\$WINREAgent that sohould allow updates to wok. Of coure if your sindoes ox drive is not c you need to adjust 17:12:35 but that directoy is hidden 17:12:54 that is latest device form the Micosoft idiots 17:18:00 Tobin: so evn if not hiden try trnaming it so something else so if it makes things worse you can get back to better times supposedly this will fix thing 17:18:33 that is the lates recomendation form the M$ a**h**** 17:18:53 I thought the latest recommendation from MS was "buy an AI PC" 17:21:41 ;-) 17:21:59 I stopped taking Microsoft seriously the moment they insisted their korn shell was 100% compatible, that the guy - David Korn - challenging their claim must be wrong 17:22:02 :-P 17:22:12 we try to call them M$ rather than MS 17:22:37 so looks like an S but shows they have the money 17:28:38 njsg: Yes, fi they wanted to come up with their own shell should have claled it the mshell! 17:28:59 or maybe the wshell 17:30:44 is an actual shell image a emoji now? 17:30:48 yeah indeed, although the biggest problem was the person who kept doubling down about that... well, maybe he *was* told it was 100% compatible? 17:31:31 tomman: let me check [START] programs > accessories > character map :-P (I wonder if I got this right) 17:32:07 now seriously, good question, and given the amount of stuff in emojis, it's probably a safe bet, it might even have gotten there before the copyleft symbol :-P 17:32:16 my feeling is if David Korn says it is not compatible I would take his word for it! 17:32:52 U+1F41A SPIRAL SHELL 17:32:57 not what I was expecting... 17:33:09 🐚 17:33:14 oh and he should sue them for calling it the korn shell 17:33:51 tomman: I was thinking maybe "command line", but searching for command line emoji isn't very helpful 17:43:34 ./configure --prefix=/usr 17:48:52 Tobin: wrong terminal or terminal emulator (or simply wrong keyboard) 17:49:36 ./configure --experience=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c9O2MXnJCY 17:49:39 njsg: 17:53:45 of course I am sure once I get to beyond lfs it will become more like.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CmJ-NHDScI 17:55:16 i like that its the VHS version 18:00:26 njsg: what music would you imagine goes well with compiling a linux distro? 18:02:11 dunno. also sprak zarathustra? 18:06:58 There backing up before chapter 8 18:08:04 i hope opting for python 3.11 won't screw me later on 18:08:41 lfs 12.1 updated python to 3.12 but if i wanna build then i need 3.11 18:10:09 is the whole python interdependency web between packages taken care of for you in lfs? 18:10:24 nah dood 18:11:10 i have come to the conclusion that systemd distros are no longer unix-like 18:11:20 here most headaches I've had is when the *eclass* (and not a package itself) drops support for something or pulls in something else 18:12:35 thing about linux is.. if you have the server resources and have a kernel that can be built hw genericly enough .. everything else is just mechanical work and infra management to do a linux distro 18:13:15 Tobin: I'd say Gentoo, but then you have to jump some hops to keep systemd and dbus at bay (and a couple utilities *are* from systemd now, udev and tmpfiles?) 18:13:26 is gtk3 still tied to dbus upstream? 18:13:36 i dunno 18:14:00 https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=669234 18:15:08 i don't understand how gentoo works 18:15:11 so 18:15:11 Tobin: ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --disable-static --disable-scrollkeeper 18:15:25 mrnhmath: lol 18:16:23 I wonder if anyone would actually attempt to use a security crippled single user with networking linux distro literally called .. Insecure Linux 18:16:33 and i have to conclude .. some would 18:17:22 njsg: really I'd prefer not to have qt or gtk at all.. well gtk2 maybe 18:18:52 what about tqt3 18:18:56 :P 18:19:55 I have done a review of the trinity project and found its development decisions lazy when not just petty and their over all management and sustainability is doubious at best 18:20:15 Tobin: wasn't there a ponzi scheme called Ponzicoin? 18:20:16 I feel more confident if Moonchild was in charge of it.. so what does that tell you 18:20:35 njsg: that SOUNDS familar 18:20:46 ... did that ever actually exist tho? 18:21:00 or was it just a joke 18:21:13 .. assuming it wasn't a joke that existed as well 18:21:27 I'd invest in ponzicoin 18:21:40 for the sheer audacity of it 18:22:07 I wonder ever since the telemetry shit .. does anyone have the audacity to use audacity anymore? 23:26:43 (logbot test message) 23:27:54 ok, seems to be back on-line :) 23:32:44 hrosik are you logbot's keeper? 23:32:56 yup 23:33:12 cool 23:33:58 how hard was it to setup 23:34:05 well, would be nicer if it was someone who updates the underlying machine more often than ooonce every 2 years... ;) 23:34:08 and how has it been maintaining it since glob gave up 23:37:38 I actually got some initial help (instructions) from both glob and Dmitry Butskoy, so that helped, but generally it's not that difficult 23:41:39 basically: 1) install perl dependencies using cpan, 2) configure it a bit, 3) set up wrapper scripts & service configuration, 4) set up letsencrypt cert 23:41:57 no new development of course :) 23:43:39 otherwise a fire-and-forget thing