I'm pissed off

... windows refuses to install and update its self properly now

to hell with it..

linux from scratch is better

lol

hi tomman

have you tried windows 98 instead?

(hey, it should install blazingly fast with an SSD and fast memory, although that does leave you in a hardware compatibility hell of sorts)

my Win98SE setup lives on a SSD

it's constrained to the ancient UDMA66 bus speed, but having gotten rid of latency is always a win

the danger zone for 98SE/Me is Socket 775 Prescott / Pentium M era

nowadays what are the points to take into account? setup option to try to bypass the memory issue, and the option to force-enable ACPI?

tomman: SSD through some PATA converter?

I've seen that idea floated a couple times recently, one was for a laptop, another for an iPod, I think

njsg: in my case it's a SATA SSD over a SATA-to-PATA bridgeboard

and it's the latter that will give you pain

some chipsets hate those bridgeboards

I tried to convert all of my two PIIIs to SSD

a PCChips M756 mobo from the trash with a SiS 630 chipset worked fine with one bridgeboard, but rejected another

while my Compaq routerbox with a i810E (the "E" is for "ewww!") rejected every single bridgeboard I threw at it - the drive would read the data from the wrong locations

bridgeboard's what, on PCI?

no, it's a SATA-to-PATA board

SATA in one end, PATA at other end

oh, right

and forget about using those if you need CHS

for those the reason is even more silly: SATA HDDs don't seem to support CHS addressing at all

so no SSDing the cheap way your 386!

it's a shame CompactFlash is insanely expensive in this country :/

(but that gives another "attack vector" to solve this: how easy is it to get a compatible PCI controller for SATA or M.2?) (emphasis on "compatible", as if it requires a too new PCI version...)

PCI SATA HBAs are nearly unobtanium in this country

also, I'm kinda short on PCI slots right now :/

Unless if I could find a equally unobtanium PCI multiport Ethernet card :D

ah yes, one of the issues with PCI, although that one especially if the motherboard has PCI express, there has to be some balance and... well.

PCI cards you won't find in Venezuela neither for money nor love: video cards of nearly any vintage, NICs with more than 1 port, ATA HBAs (in both flavors)

stuff that is dicey: SCSI HBAs, non-trash PCI soundcards, NICs with chipsets other than Realtek

I should have NICs with more than one port, but of the kind you can only use one at a time (and you have to tell linux which one... because apparently that driver is set to assume it's the 8P8C/baseT)

ha, found one for $10, 2 port

...but it's 100Mbit only :/

last year I bid on a PCI-X server card, 2xgigabit ports, for $15 (apparently most PCI-X cards will work on ordinary PCI slots, there will just be the extended pins overhanging the slot)

sadly the seller became unresponsive and ended with no deal :/

welp

njsg: if i was gonna run oldos(tm) it would be win2k

also.. LFS Chapter 7.3.1. Mounting and Populating /dev

:P

SeaMonkey OS?

lol

Tobin: if you are looking to run win 10 and haf updates work then the best idea is to shrink the isnows os partitio enough to provide a 1 Gig patition for the windows recoverery patcituon and then rinstall sin 10 and it should all work

ig there is a current win recovery patition you would need to delte that also before the install

well near as i can figure something is corrupting the windows update store before it applies any os update from december on

but only on this system

my craptop is fine

i wasted a day and a half and nine dollars in flash drives .. i am gonna build linux from scratch instead.. ch 7.7.1 ;)

my goal is to boot and also compile uxp through modern mozilla.. but not -run- em .. not yet

there is also a hiiden direcoty on windows if you remove the the update woks let me see if i can find the post

NO DIRECTORY ON *WINDOWS* is hidden from *ME*

;)

no directory, no registry key, nothing short of digital signature enforcement can prevent me

from access anyway

supposedly if you remove the hiddne directory C:\$WINREAgent that sohould allow updates to wok. Of coure if your sindoes ox drive is not c you need to adjust

but that directoy is hidden

that is latest device form the Micosoft idiots

Tobin: so evn if not hiden try trnaming it so something else so if it makes things worse you can get back to better times supposedly this will fix thing

that is the lates recomendation form the M$ a**h****

I thought the latest recommendation from MS was "buy an AI PC"

;-)

I stopped taking Microsoft seriously the moment they insisted their korn shell was 100% compatible, that the guy - David Korn - challenging their claim must be wrong

:-P

we try to call them M$ rather than MS

so looks like an S but shows they have the money

njsg: Yes, fi they wanted to come up with their own shell should have claled it the mshell!

or maybe the wshell

is an actual shell image a emoji now?

yeah indeed, although the biggest problem was the person who kept doubling down about that... well, maybe he *was* told it was 100% compatible?

tomman: let me check [START] programs > accessories > character map :-P (I wonder if I got this right)

now seriously, good question, and given the amount of stuff in emojis, it's probably a safe bet, it might even have gotten there before the copyleft symbol :-P

my feeling is if David Korn says it is not compatible I would take his word for it!

U+1F41A SPIRAL SHELL

not what I was expecting...

🐚

oh and he should sue them for calling it the korn shell

tomman: I was thinking maybe "command line", but searching for command line emoji isn't very helpful

./configure --prefix=/usr

Tobin: wrong terminal or terminal emulator (or simply wrong keyboard)

./configure --experience=youtube.com/watch?v=8c9O2MXnJCY

njsg:

of course I am sure once I get to beyond lfs it will become more like.. youtube.com/watch?v=1CmJ-NHDScI

i like that its the VHS version

njsg: what music would you imagine goes well with compiling a linux distro?

dunno. also sprak zarathustra?

There backing up before chapter 8

i hope opting for python 3.11 won't screw me later on

lfs 12.1 updated python to 3.12 but if i wanna build <the-shit/> then i need 3.11

is the whole python interdependency web between packages taken care of for you in lfs?

nah dood

i have come to the conclusion that systemd distros are no longer unix-like

here most headaches I've had is when the *eclass* (and not a package itself) drops support for something or pulls in something else

thing about linux is.. if you have the server resources and have a kernel that can be built hw genericly enough .. everything else is just mechanical work and infra management to do a linux distro

Tobin: I'd say Gentoo, but then you have to jump some hops to keep systemd and dbus at bay (and a couple utilities *are* from systemd now, udev and tmpfiles?)

is gtk3 still tied to dbus upstream?

i dunno

i don't understand how gentoo works

so

Tobin: ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --disable-static --disable-scrollkeeper

mrnhmath: lol

I wonder if anyone would actually attempt to use a security crippled single user with networking linux distro literally called .. Insecure Linux

and i have to conclude .. some would

njsg: really I'd prefer not to have qt or gtk at all.. well gtk2 maybe

what about tqt3

:P

I have done a review of the trinity project and found its development decisions lazy when not just petty and their over all management and sustainability is doubious at best

Tobin: wasn't there a ponzi scheme called Ponzicoin?

I feel more confident if Moonchild was in charge of it.. so what does that tell you

njsg: that SOUNDS familar

... did that ever actually exist tho?

or was it just a joke

.. assuming it wasn't a joke that existed as well

I'd invest in ponzicoin

for the sheer audacity of it

I wonder ever since the telemetry shit .. does anyone have the audacity to use audacity anymore?

(logbot test message)

ok, seems to be back on-line :)

hrosik are you logbot's keeper?

yup

cool

how hard was it to setup

well, would be nicer if it was someone who updates the underlying machine more often than ooonce every 2 years... ;)

and how has it been maintaining it since glob gave up

I actually got some initial help (instructions) from both glob and Dmitry Butskoy, so that helped, but generally it's not that difficult

basically: 1) install perl dependencies using cpan, 2) configure it a bit, 3) set up wrapper scripts & service configuration, 4) set up letsencrypt cert

no new development of course :)

otherwise a fire-and-forget thing