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frg_Away: is there an existing bug regarding devtools on central?

MattATobin for SeaMonkey?

ye

don't think so but maybe an older one. Need to check

MattATobin Oh Bug 842942 is a meta bug

cause the first patch I was gonna do is introduce my slighly genericized loader with the devtools and chrome clh flags (removing the flag from suite glue so it doesn't conflict if/when it gets fixed. and because --chrome is a dep on --devtools functioning)

which will allow you to spawn any chrome window again and launch devtools on whatever startup window starts up first

MattATobin is this mozilla oder comm code? If mozilla code can probably only exist in the patch queue forever.

comm code only

ah ok. Did you get my email?

I did

electronic mail!

you doing ok?

anyway the only mozilla patches I have made are to free up the few spots of hardcoded thunderbird only exceptions to firefox

oki. Was just for clarification so you know what is going on.

I appreciate that!

restoring a form of useable devtools is internal to suite/ only along with a couple of required ftl files the platform expects the app to have.

THO central is buildbusted right now due to another issue

mailnews relies on an xpcom interface defined in mail

because openpgp is no longer optional

Bill did a few patches which need to be applied: gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-central-pa…comm-central/patches?ref_type=heads

oh about redirector

neat

one of the big jobs is converting js xpcom components to xpcom enhanced jsms to esm modules

from js xpcom component to xpcom enhanced jsm is mostly mechanical

i think

frg_Away: if I could get github.com/bgrins/xbl-analysis working i might be able to use it to convert xbl bindings to xul customelements

including stuff left out of even Thunderbird

as well as some from extensions as well

Well rdf and xbl are things I not even care about much in 2.53 so if we can get stylo working later might be something for there too. Not that I am hot about custom elements too.

the following also need to happen xhtml wise.. all non-window root elements need to be made window and then xhtml with a xul namespaced body minimum that includes prefpanes wizards and pages

and the import statements changed numerous times too.

well Services is just builtin now

editor .. composer is the component least likely to survive because there is no guide to follow past thunderbird's useage of it.

not saying it can't be fixed just it seems more like a final boss .. you've faced devtools, and glue.. navigator and slogged through mailnews NOW you face the dreaded SeaMonkey Composer!

heh

So old it doesn't even have toolkit customizable toolbars

unless you added that in 2.53

Well when we are at a point where Composer affects us we could decide. IanN_Away did some patches for 2.53 so not sure about the toolbars any longer. I think they are in 2.53 and central.

Thunderbird's take on customizable toolbars is sure closer to the toolkit form than customizableui is.. and they previously translated the xbl to a xul ce so that exists tho xul toolbar spring element no longer exists.. but thunderbird has something in their new customzable unified toolbar so some hope. And yeah I am actually learning webcomponents

and it is confusing

now my online bank has also stopped working on Seamonkey

they use at least jquery, react and google's tracking scripts

but once I got xr to figure out mjs is javascript that connected some dots for me ;)

but the page somehow detects when the browser console is open and doesn't render anything, so it is probably almost impossible to debug

"TypeError: O.get(...).then(...).catch(...).finally is not a function

[Learn More]

CsrfProvider.tsx:19:9"

yeah that is a consiquence of scammers using devtools to scam people by editing the dom

the page has three megabytes of javascript and it's all minified

it used to be pure HTML just few years ago

this one is on for sure

i figured it was

you're more or less what 62-68ish js wise?

probably private class files or something else again

but that file doesn't even have a line like that

2.53.18 60 soso plus/minus 59 for sure

the line 19 is completely different

actually the whole devtools somehow goes completely crazy about that

Sompi: debuggig minified js is a pretty impossible task when you don't have cooperation of the people who wrote the site and there is still a lot of discrimination for not being latest broken mess perpetually

yes, but I'm trying to figure out what part the js parser fails at

but it's impossible because the server just serves some random crap when the page detects that devtools are open

check for import statements or # declarations

half of the lines are html and half of them are javascript

in a way that is in no way correct syntax

well it likely isn't standard js

or obfuscated

what site is this?

op.fi

I think some script tells the server that the user opened the devtools, and then the server starts outputting some nonsense instead of the documents that it should

could run a manual broad regression with firefox see when the site starts working

start with esr52 go 60 68 78 once you narrow down the range between esrs you can switch to release versons.. Just make sure to disable auto-updating on firefox via a preferences file so it doesn't automatically update str8 to latest

narrowing it down to a specific firefox version could help in figuring out what is happening if manual scan or a text search for known new shineys doesn't turn up anything all that useful

why are they even using such advanced javascript on an online bank?

because money

they used to have a pure html version of the online bank and it worked on lynx

but they removed it for "accessibility reasons"

Is that relevant?

and replaced it with a javascript hell that only works with internet explorer, firefox and chrome

and now this new online bank doesn't even always work with firefox

anyway first do what frg said and see if there are any import statements or # declariations

now it is completely broken on seamonkey

I'm too tired of this shit

well it would help if you could see if those two things are there like frg asked

and if not maybe do that regression thing

but the site refuses to load when I open the devtools

I don't have an account so I can't do it

so I cannot even see what's in there

view source

the javascripts are in separate files

open the individual linked js files

and they cannot be loaded individually

yeah aren't they linkified

in the markup?

they are

click em

but the js files cannot be loaded individually

the server doesn't allow that

and now it already kicked me out

that opens

and logging in costs one more one-time-use password

those aren't free

huh

i generate one time password codes on linux?

anyway Sompi I do completely understand your frustration but mixing in a technical issue with the asides of how crap new stuff is just distracts from the issue at hand.

yeah

but that online bank seems to be impossible to debug, so it is not relevant in the context of browser developing

now it stopped working on seamonkey, while I was using it and paying things

suddenly a blank page

they updated something there

Well if you can't access the JS.. go play pin the tail on the firefox to find out what gecko version it works.. That way I can look into what changed between those releases and HOPEFULLY find what to tell the frg what needs ported

That's the theory anyway

even the ESR version of Firefox is nowadays "unsupported" with many websites

meaning that when they detect an ESR version, they just refuse to work and show a message that your browser is outdated

they jumpped the gun.. new esr isn't till july lol

but i am saying esrs are a good way to broadly segment the releases for this kind of manual regression testing

and the non-esr version is broken in many other ways

or future feature testing

because... because it's non-esr

Sompi: wait so this doesn't work in firefox?

unstable shit

MattATobin: I haven't tried yet

because it costs money

then how is it broken?

I don't know is it or not

well you are only interested in finding the version it started working in

do test current firefox tho

I go buy groceries

well what do you expect me or someone actually apart of this project to do for you dude, i mean the js is account walled off and even when you log in you can't inspect the js. If you want an answer dude let alone a fix it would help to have at least a hint of what the issue is. Only way I know how to do that besides devtools and error consoles is to test each version until it works except *I* can't nor can frg or the others ..

unless we banked at that bank

Sompi: let me put it like this.. when you run windows or whatever os you are on.. do you automatically blame windows when some random program breaks or just won't run anymore.. the browser is being treated as an operating system these days and websites as applications.. So in that context, how much does microsoft fix windows because one program is broken by their own changes not microsoft's

i mean pre windows 8 windows

I kinda feel it is unfair to put so much emphasis on the browser being compatible with the site when it should and orginally was the site was compatible with the browser

imo and by all rights this site should be open to anything that has basic html5 and es6 support

that is what I believe

tho i'd prefer xhtml and es5 personally

The WhatWG has rejected <style scoped> restoration in favor of @scoped { ... }

does seem you can use it in nested style tags not just the style attr but .. i dunno

MattATobin: I'm blaming the bank. I don't understand how professional web developers can produce such shitty code

And use javascript for literally everything, when it's just static content

I am not a *professional* web developer unless you count HotDog Professional by the Sasuage software company

so idgi either

but.. that's the name of the game and has been for a while. Anyway, i still suggest you run that pin the tail on the firefox feature version and narrow it down but if someone actually on the council should have a better idea then I suggest you do that first

if not instead

also Sompi and this is just a personal request from me, I am trying very hard to look for options, solutions, and generally being more positive and well frankly.. nice.. while trying to figure out how to navigate in this messed up world i spent a decade trying to ignore .. not just for me but for everyone seemingly left behind by the mass insanity tech has been infused with so it would be helpful to me and perhaps others if you

toned down the everything is crap asides at least not interleaving them with reporting issues. Tho have no authority to make you do that it would just help me a great deal to stay focused on positivity and practical accomplishment and contribution to a better future for as many as possible

tomman: what about matrix bridges, how well do these work? I see some channels on IRCnet are bridged somehow. One even seemed tightly integrated, but I might be misremembering

(tightly integrated as in messages are shown as coming directly from the matrix user, and not from a bridge bot nick)

Sompi: there's a non-devtools error console, and a devtools one, is the netbank site detecting both?

it should also be possible to enable these errors being written to the process output (UNIX-like system) or to a separate window (Windows)

Sompi: used to be pure html? I know there was one bank which pushed hard on using their app and everything six years ago, I was surprised that one didn't revamp the netbank itself in such a way.

Sompi: is there anything one can test without having an OP user account? Some page that's representative of the breakage?

njsg: probably not

njsg: how's that libra to matrix bridge workin for ya

;)

oh yeah it was always unreliable and error prone and was shut down and is never coming back and matrix nor libra seem much bothered by it

no idea, but I guess there might be also something on the IRC server itself there

at utwente.nl? not something I've looked into, though

oh, possibly matrix and discord?

njsg: XML4Life

xmpp was always the superior protocol