22:37:35 <andr01d> Another website that doesn't work in SeaMonkey, even w/ js enabled: chat.mozilla.org
22:39:37 <andr01d> The fact that they moved to matrix in the first place is bullshit, but the lack of an IRC tunnel is inexplicable, and the fact that they can't even provide a matrix webclient that is broadly standards compliant shows just how uninterested they are in user interface/support...
23:14:39 <tomman> Matrix, where actually the only supported client is "Element"
23:15:03 <tomman> (every single client I've tried for Matrix has been pure disappointment)
23:15:17 <tomman> might as well rename the entire network to Element
23:20:18 <MattATobin> tomman: matrix is everything xmpp promised to be except totally crap.