14:36:58 <IanN> Status meeting starts in 27 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-02-18
14:50:21 <IanN> Status meeting starts in 14 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-02-18
14:59:44 <IanN> Status meeting starts in 5 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-02-18
15:03:14 <frg> hi rsx11m
15:03:20 <rsx11m> hi frg IanN
15:03:30 <IanN> hiya rsx11m
15:03:35 <rsx11m> ircbot's certificate has expired ... :-(
15:03:39 <WG9s> hi
15:03:42 <njsg> hi .*
15:04:00 <IanN> Status meeting time - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-02-18
15:04:09 <frg> yes needs an exception right now
15:04:31 <rsx11m> hi WG9s njsg
15:05:08 <IanN> Who's taking minutes?
15:05:18 <frg> me probably late again
15:06:55 <MattATobin> Hi
15:07:04 <rsx11m> hi Matt
15:07:07 <frg> MattATobin hi
15:07:18 <ContributorTobin> rsx11m: you know better than that ;) hi
15:07:39 <IanN> thanks frg
15:08:01 <IanN> Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?
15:09:53 <rsx11m> ContributorTobin: sorry
15:10:13 <ContributorTobin> rsx11m: it's cool :)
15:10:58 <WG9s> wong for helping get nightly archive operational and dealing with the time zone differential in communicating with me
15:11:08 <frg> +1
15:11:14 <IanN> seconded
15:11:15 <rsx11m> always+
15:11:47 <njsg> thirded
15:11:55 <IanN> Action Items
15:12:41 <frg> Not much action here. One of us needs to do a website update but not urgent
15:13:41 <IanN> I will try to do it this afternoon
15:16:20 <ContributorTobin> sm's site has held up remarkably well considering the radical shifts and shifts back in web design
15:16:42 <IanN> Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure
15:17:01 <frg> we are still old fashioned :)
15:17:18 <ContributorTobin> and god bless you for it
15:17:47 <frg> Nothing new here unless ewong didn something behind the curtains with WG9s wrt. more archiving.
15:18:16 <ContributorTobin> What about 1687385
15:20:12 <frg> I need to find some time to think about it but not really infrastructure
15:22:45 <IanN> Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree
15:23:24 <frg> all building. I am making progress updating SpiderMonkey but nothing really great till now. Only import.meta working
15:23:49 <ContributorTobin> Python is becoming an increading problem tho on newer distros
15:24:24 <frg> Myckel is on it. Remind me to nominate him next :)
15:26:33 <ContributorTobin> On central as of 124a1 non-e10s is impossible outside the env var rendering my example app busted landed 2 days before I started it.
15:27:10 <ContributorTobin> and also.. I am playing in central so that may be fun in the future
15:28:59 <frg> yes it needs multiprocess since a few releases already.
15:29:38 <IanN> playing in central is like playing in the traffic on a motorway / freeway / autobahn
15:30:16 <ContributorTobin> IanN: Not many can get away with it.. but I might.
15:30:17 <rsx11m> ... with 250mph ;-)
15:31:11 <njsg> and the road moving in the opposite direction pulled by a few Rolls-Royce/SNECMA Olympus 593?
15:31:34 <ContributorTobin> plus thunderbird's comm on top?
15:32:23 <ContributorTobin> It's been fun. I actually used a toolkit pref to spawn navigator.xul and it was .. barely existing it was funny
15:32:45 <ContributorTobin> well .xhtml
15:33:24 <ContributorTobin> anyway playing in central, more later if any ;)
15:33:45 <IanN> Release Train
15:33:55 <frg> If you have fixed for specific bugs we can put them in either the queue or central.
15:34:09 <frg> nothing yet to release i think.
15:34:47 <frg> lots of stuff in but mostly groundwork
15:35:00 <ContributorTobin> you still considering dropping betas?
15:35:36 <frg> I yes IanN not. But for 2.53.19 a beta is probably warranted.
15:35:49 <ContributorTobin> Maybe do betas as needed
15:36:11 <IanN> There's lots gone into 2.53.19
15:36:15 <ContributorTobin> and maybe that will make it more likely to get feedback when you do one
15:36:53 <frg> Problem is that no ones tests and then when it hits realse the world ends and the complainers show up.
15:37:15 <ContributorTobin> I will build that next and give it a good old fasioned manual bashing see if anything busts
15:39:13 <ContributorTobin> frg: i wish other people understood that was a bad thing for devs
15:39:49 <ContributorTobin> I do suggest dropping dbm in nss
15:39:52 <ContributorTobin> tho
15:39:55 <frg> Data manager and old cookie viewer might need an update for same site cookies but unsure. I am continuing ripping out the old sync places api.
15:40:43 <ContributorTobin> the old cookie viewer was kinda busted in 52.. I replaced it with Pale Moon's version
15:40:58 <frg> dbm is on my short chopping list but only used for migration right now.
15:41:13 <IanN> Extensions Tracking
15:41:13 <ContributorTobin> ah you're at that stage
15:42:29 <frg> bau for extensions. Still please test 2.53.19b1 pre. There always might be side effects and when it hits release I personally/usually don't care if something broken 3 months ago.
15:42:33 <ContributorTobin> ES4 for-each removal likely broke some older extensions
15:42:41 <frg> yes
15:43:19 <frg> the nsIPrefservice change too
15:44:40 <ContributorTobin> How is DOMi doing?
15:44:55 <frg> still kicking
15:45:07 <ContributorTobin> I may have a few enhancements since I approerated defacto control of the extension form. I would have to look
15:47:04 <ContributorTobin> I am still gonna look into static themes for you
15:48:08 <frg> Add a bug and a patch(es) or send it my or IanNs way.
15:48:47 <ContributorTobin> OH not gonna employ phabricator lol
15:48:59 <frg> No
15:50:09 <njsg> phabricator was only for mozilla-central, but how does that work now with the infra changes?
15:50:21 <ContributorTobin> be warned classic add-ons archive's .. archive only has extensions for firefox targets tho some were multiapp it does not have seamonkey nor thunderbird extensions
15:50:30 <frg> njsg no TB uses it too now
15:50:47 <njsg> ah great, I must have forgotten that
15:51:09 <IanN> 2.Next, Feature List, Planning and Roundtable
15:51:43 <frg> bau
15:51:53 <ContributorTobin> Sync stuff is on hold until webcompat makes it worth bothering
15:52:48 <tomman> yo, I'm late :D
15:52:49 <IanN> BAU for me too
15:52:53 <tomman> reminder to update my nightly here
15:52:53 <IanN> hi tomman
15:52:58 <ContributorTobin> I like the credits idea
15:52:58 <tomman> any pitfall to be aware this time?
15:53:02 <ContributorTobin> easy to add
15:53:18 <frg> hi tomman
15:53:33 <frg> tomman nothing hopefully
15:56:20 <ContributorTobin> You still want a tabbrowser overhaul lol?
15:56:41 <frg> some stuff like the stack is already in
15:57:04 <ContributorTobin> You know from Firefox 4 on tabbrowser was radically changed to be toolbar based
15:57:18 <ContributorTobin> closest SM last resembles is 3.6
15:57:45 <ContributorTobin> I actually got 3.6's tabbrowser working in navigator.xul partally
15:59:00 <ContributorTobin> Suppose could try and port Pale Moon's tabbrowser in but that would break more extensions
15:59:23 <ContributorTobin> and be a pretty radical change under the hood
15:59:55 <ContributorTobin> But u'd get pinned tabs and a toolbar that can have toolbar icons on
16:01:09 <ContributorTobin> Or Firefox's but I dunno how australis would complicate it
16:01:50 <ContributorTobin> SOrry didn't mean to derail
16:01:55 <IanN> AOB
16:02:58 <frg> Off for a few days starting tomorrow. Busy week ahead.
16:03:10 <rsx11m> DST is coming up next month on this side of the atlantic
16:03:17 <rsx11m> affects next meeting
16:03:28 <IanN> yeah DST is end of March for EU/UK
16:03:41 <rsx11m> always fun :-p
16:04:27 <ContributorTobin> Do you guys need a wiki or would something that reads markdown files and git control be cool with you
16:04:45 <njsg> (was it early April in the US in the early 2000s? I think there was something on jwz's blog recently that had the DST date in April)
16:05:46 <IanN> ContributorTobin: best to talk to ewong about that
16:05:49 <rsx11m> njsg: long time ago, I guess - they moved it into mid March thru after Halloween at some point
16:05:53 <frg> ContributorTobin As long as we have access to the current wiki probaly not. I wouldn't have time to write somethign down anyway :(
16:06:46 <IanN> okay, thanks for your time, next meeting in 3 weeks, same bat channel, various bat times due to DST or not
16:07:08 <ContributorTobin> I do like status meetings.
16:07:18 <ContributorTobin> especially seamonkey ones
16:07:26 <rsx11m> :-)
16:09:01 <njsg> March 10?
16:09:07 <rsx11m> yepp
16:09:27 <rsx11m> same time UTC, one hour later on the clock for where DST applies already
16:09:39 <ContributorTobin> I solve the problem by just always being here.. except when i am not then it is more difficult to attend
16:09:43 <njsg> legislative election day in .pt
16:10:44 <rsx11m> have fun checking boxes!
16:11:10 <IanN> or finding boxes
16:11:22 <IanN> have a good 3 weeks rsx11m
16:11:49 <rsx11m> see you next time!
17:24:24 <CaptainTobin> Always away
17:24:57 <CaptainTobin> the funny thing is frg does it and I am still not sure if he know why
17:54:11 <frg_Away> CaptainTobin just to indicate that I might not respond. If it is frg I am inclined to respond immediately like in a meeting.
17:57:58 <CaptainTobin> There is one enhancement that I could make preffed off and that is the ability to control+click any xul or html element and get a domi window from it targeted to the element you are on
17:58:13 <CaptainTobin> i nicked it from a domi modified version
17:58:34 <CaptainTobin> but that isn't what I meant
17:58:50 <CaptainTobin> by the fixes i need to look for that I did and if they apply
18:17:24 <CaptainTobin> frg_Away: so where do I get the beta code for the next release?
18:17:54 <CaptainTobin> so I can bash it
18:17:56 <frg_Away> top of heptapod plus patch queue
18:26:51 <CaptainTobin> frg_Away: https://gitlab.com/frg/seamonkey-253-patches/-/raw/master/readme-first.txt?ref_type=heads ?
18:27:42 <frg_Away> gitlab is the same level but patch queue is easier to apply in heptapod/ with hg https://foss.heptapod.net/seamonkey
18:27:56 <frg_Away> gitlab master
18:27:59 <CaptainTobin> I cheated on central cause it was only 15 patches so i used my git cinnabar repo and applied em manually but yeah
18:28:53 <CaptainTobin> but this crazy setup of yours .. I should follow it
18:32:05 <CaptainTobin> Hi IanN
18:32:07 <CaptainTobin> again
18:39:34 <IanN> hi CaptainTobin
22:44:29 <CaptainTobin> patchqueue
22:44:35 <CaptainTobin> is patching in a queue
22:44:38 <CaptainTobin> lol
22:44:44 <CaptainTobin> WG9s