Status meeting in 30 minutes - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-01-28

checking in as preswnt for mt

hi everyone

checking in as present for mtg

Status meeting in 15 minutes - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-01-28

breakfast done and gone~

hi .*

howdy (yawn...)

hiya rsx11m

hi njsg and tomman

hi WG9s

rsx11m: you are yawning, my cat is sleeping

good combination ;-)

helloworld.exe

Status meeting time - wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2024-01-28

Who's taking minutes?

hi all

me

thanks

hi frg

Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?

IanN: for his continuing work on developer tools

seconded

thirded

4th

thanks

Action Items

bau

ditto

Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure

Rainer was mentioning something about the Wiki?

and the mozilla.apps.dev.seamonkey mailing list is defunct

seamonkey-members still works fine

rsx11m we need to do a website patch for the mailing list. I think the wiki was abotu the next meeting date.

i suspect the fromer is because of mozilla in the name mozilla seems to be trying to diassosiate themselves from us

looks like that :-(

isn't it like the non-dev list? I forget what the names are for both lists on google's side

it sounded like somebody cleaned one group too much

there was simply a "will shut down on ..." message a week before, and then it was gone

no time to react or respond

hours before, I think?

that's how things are done at the Valley nowadays

move fast and break things, etc.

few days max

yeah, not much time to object

but then how is the other google group still working?

it's a different server

(I guess, different group)

Wasn't Google Groups due to close soon?

no, it's the USENET link that is

both should be mirrored, or at least they were

apparently someone inside google escalated a ticket and their solution to their service being used to spam USENET was to discontinue that part

the google groups aren't linked to the usenet ones

oh, that's where I got confused then

this for Google Groups as the google service as a whole, starting from February 22, there will be no more feeding to/from USENET

well the whole point of google groups was to have a google interface to usenet so now they want to make google groups seperate from usenet?

the dev and users SeaMonkey google groups are actual google groups (as in mailing lists manageable with google groups) created after the announcement that mozilla was moving away from network news (even if giganews kept the server on for a while after that)

they're now mirrored to network news via gmane, but that's not an action from google or mozilla

confusing world :-p

Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree

of course usenet was something no onger relevant was based on low speed dailup connections between servers and users being on same local netowrk as the servers.

so replication of the entire usenet crap between server, whish is how usenet worked made sense in that environment

source is fine. I worked a bit more on my separate js wip queue and Myckel also added some stuff. Now got it working and Spidermonkey which is basically at the end of 62a1 minus some dross.

Wokring on dynamic imports and bigint there now but needs more stuff.

great :)

Release Train

not sure if we should wait with the next beta a bit more or just cut it? Not much new in it devtools, sync bookmarks api gone and some minor js stuff.

I would say wait a bit more, see if we can get a big chunk in

this is what all projects seem to be facing with should next version be time based or new feature base. others seem to be going towateds time based.

I think it has to be a balance

we don't want to just release because it's been 4 weeks since the last one

but we don't want it to be 4 months between releases either

agreed, just cutting a new version "because it's time" shouldn't be the lone reason

balance is good

well depends on sec updates but nothing urgent out I think.

And we could always do a 2.53.18.2 if needed.

yeah, sure - security is a different interrupt to the process

I think some projects would event bump version if zero patches because then would get great feedback on how smooth the change to the new version with zero code change other than the version number.

:-D

:-D

Extensions Tracking

bau

balance is good indeed, but then Google is who sets the pace these days, sadly

and yes, it's ridiculous to have a 4-6 week release cycle just because "that's what Google does"

OK, pdf.js still works here, it's amazing that a years old .xpi still works here without breaking

that's like the one I've never had to patch yet

just updated my website to change to the it is snowing here backbround

2.Next, Feature List, Planning and Roundtable

tomman well I wanted to integrate it for some time now but it is either this or other backports. urgkkk. Just fored myself to do some bookmark updates for suite.

bau too here

nothing else has broken yet, thankfully~

tomman most of the old stuff is out. There are one or two things not yet in wrt object and js handling but I try to avoid them. might not even break something.

keep chipping away

for roundtble i am still trying to find a good time to work with ewong sho is like 180 dgree out of phase with me timezoneaize so that we canwork together on how i can get my nightly stuff posted to the new archive system.

so like witn i an awake he is sleeping and vise versa

AOB?

WG9s roundtable is something you can do yourself. I never touch the personal section when I do the notes.

bau as usual too

okay, thanks for your time today, next meeting in 3 weeks on 18th February, same bat channel, same bat time

have fun!

cu

later

cya~

damn missed it

feel free to add that tobin is rewriting the future, again to the roundtable lol

frg_Away:

CaptainTobin was the usual meeting. Nothing exciting :)

WG9s: you'd know this.. what was the last version of seamonkey that half worked on the mozilla train?

like could display a main window and kinda worked

guess the last one that supported bindings

i'd think

CaptainTobin: we did have a 2.57 that sort of worked.

as far as i know nothing later than that

that's 60 right?

yes

at one time was talk agout trying for mozilla 68 but nothing ever came of it.

the latest version of 2,57 should still be on archive.seamonkey-project.org

so at archive.seamonkey-project.org/nightly