14:34:54 <IanN> status meeting in 29 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-12-17
14:51:43 <IanN> status meeting in 12 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-12-17
14:59:41 <IanN> status meeting in 5 minutes - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-12-17
15:02:01 <njsg> hi .*
15:02:25 <frg> njsg hi
15:02:38 <hyprarch> hey, First time using seamonkey, on arch via Wayland & Hypr, works great!!!
15:03:40 <IanN> status meeting time - https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2023-12-17
15:03:56 <IanN> hi njsg and welcome hyprarch
15:04:00 <frg> hyprarch we do what we can so that it stays this way :)
15:04:21 <frg> Still needs X11 though
15:04:54 <IanN> Who's taking minutes?
15:05:14 <frg> me
15:05:39 <hyprarch> thank you!, looking forward to helping as much as I can
15:07:08 <IanN> thanks frg
15:07:18 <IanN>  Nominees for Friends of the Fish Tank?
15:07:24 <frg> I nominate Patrick Brunschwig for maintaining the enigmail add-on
15:08:38 <IanN> seconded
15:08:39 <njsg> seconded
15:08:42 <IanN> thirded
15:09:21 <hyprarch> fourthed!
15:09:48 <njsg> IanN: I think you actually seconded first, as I was hitting return :-)
15:10:00 <IanN> heh
15:10:06 <IanN> Action Items?
15:10:26 <frg> Nothing new from me.
15:10:59 <frg> I think ewong moved things over to azure but not sure
15:13:11 <IanN> yeah, he did, need to change where downloads point to when he confirms everything is okay
15:13:30 <IanN> Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure
15:14:12 <frg> not much done here either. Done the release on the old 2012 R2 builder and need to find some time to check out the 2019 one.
15:14:48 <frg> as stated ewong moved the files over from archive.mozilla.org but no public url yet.
15:16:36 <IanN> Status of the SeaMonkey Infrastructure
15:16:40 <IanN> oops#
15:16:49 <IanN> Status of the SeaMonkey Source Tree
15:17:23 <frg> 2.53 is peachy. c-c is building too
15:17:56 <frg> Still on js updates in a separate branch but real life took over lately a bit more so not much progress.
15:18:14 <IanN> slowly updating devtools
15:20:09 <IanN> Release Train
15:20:23 <frg> 2.53.18 was released :)
15:20:41 <frg> A bit of a bigger beta->final update with the nss nspr changes
15:21:45 <frg> I hope this was the last release for some time affecting add-on compatibility but no guarantees
15:25:07 <IanN> Extension Tracking
15:26:02 <frg> enigmail is now at 3.1.8.
15:26:35 <frg> Fixes a double menu problem with 2.53.18
15:28:08 <IanN> a quick fix
15:29:51 <IanN> 2.x, Feature List, Planning and Roundtable
15:30:16 <frg> bau
15:31:40 <tomman> aww, missed the final meeting~
15:31:53 <tomman> (for this year)
15:32:12 <frg> tomman hi
15:33:20 <njsg> Roundtable, is this a good section to mention that Usenet usability in general is bound to improve early next year, just before March?
15:33:23 <njsg> :-P
15:33:36 <IanN> njsg: what's happening?
15:33:55 <frg> googles discontinues usenet support!
15:34:01 <njsg> IanN: the biggest spammer announced it will disconnect from Usenet on 15 - or 22 - February
15:34:32 <frg> shouldn't we kill https://groups.google.com/a/lists.mozilla.org/g/support-seamonkey/ ?
15:34:54 <frg> https://groups.google.com/access-error?continue=https://groups.google.com/a/lists.mozilla.org/g/dev-apps-seamonkey/ is gone already thanks to them I think.
15:35:04 <tomman> No breakages to report here
15:35:09 <njsg> frg: no, that was mozilla, I think
15:35:11 <tomman> just Giggityhub being Giggityhub
15:35:19 <tomman> can't be bothered to see what Chromeisms they want this week
15:35:35 <tomman> I guess I can't read READMEs anymore without cloning whole repos
15:36:48 <IanN> only 5 days notice of the closure, but from memory it's not been widely used
15:37:02 <njsg> ... wait, but the group was actually active, the meeting notices were being sent there
15:37:18 <njsg> I actually thought it has no traffic, but no, it was being actively used
15:37:35 <njsg> news://news.gmane.io/CACsL-AfN+1ZnZ5cFrPHwiGUY45N_F2Z+V9WubpjX8RtCbo9_wA%40mail.gmail.com
15:38:24 <njsg> er, not actively, but still used
15:40:06 <frg> Well for me google is the new aol and not in a positve way :)
15:40:42 <frg> My rec.games.pinball filter list is is 99.9% gmail spammers
15:41:17 <njsg> While these two lists are Google groups, they're also bridged to newsgroups at gmane
15:41:44 <IanN> wasn't aware they were bridged
15:41:49 <njsg> Sadly, these lists are Google groups. This matters because, unlike other list management software, if you want something like setting your subscription to "nomail" you need to have a google account.
15:43:13 <njsg> IanN: didn't happen automatically, but manually, it might have been me who requested them, I'm not sure if any has history predating the new, post-news.mozilla.org, SeaMonkey google groups, I think one has history, but for the wrong group
15:45:32 <njsg> frg: does your news provider filter the spam? there are three or four doing NoCeMs, but I forget which are some of them
15:46:06 <frg> njsg yes now
15:46:39 <IanN> njsg: the groups used to be bridged until Mozilla moved to Google groups so now there's two separate things - the google group and a separate new group
15:47:37 <njsg> yes, this bridging I'm talking about is Gmane
15:47:46 <njsg> but about that, isn't it also a new google group?
15:48:18 <njsg> I think I tried to check and it didn't have older posts in the (painful to navigate in their interface...) archive
15:48:47 <njsg> it's possible old content is only at mozilla.support.seamonkey, which *is* one of these blocked because of the Google spam (not of the new kind, but rather the italian spam)
15:49:28 <IanN> anyone time for AOB
15:49:31 <frg> Archive is still there but need to fix the website becuase the removal.
15:49:37 <frg> aob bau
15:49:56 <frg> Happy holidays everyone
15:50:06 <IanN> next meeting is in 3 weeks on 7th Jan
15:50:12 <njsg> happy holidays .*!
15:50:17 <IanN> thanks for your time everyone
15:50:33 <IanN> have a good break
15:51:13 <frg> have a break, have a kit kat  :)
15:51:33 <hyprarch> happy holidays!!
15:53:04 <IanN> other snacks are available
15:53:13 <frg> I prefer Duplo bars
15:53:29 <IanN> I like a Cadbury Caramel
15:55:25 <njsg> 0xc0ffee
15:58:21 <IanN> the only hexadecimal drink!
15:59:04 <frg> Well I like Duplo bars with coffee too :)
16:00:29 <IanN> Duplo makes me think of Lego
16:02:28 <frg> IanN designed a Lego Duplo custom box when a colleage retired. Inside were the chummy ones :)
16:04:18 <frg> https://ibb.co/52K7LrD
16:05:36 <frg>  says My first retirement