bugzilla.mozilla.org/1869521 the Asahi Linux supremo discovers that UA sniffing is evil and that Google is evil, news at 11

UA sniffing (for the purposes of deciding which content to send) isn't just evil, it's also dumb.

(UA sniffing just for statistical purposes, to get a rough idea of how many users are using various things, isn't really either; but it's also not what people usually mean by "UA sniffing").

Is there any expectation that the aspect-ratio property from CSS will be supported in SM so that forums.opensuse.org and discussion.fedoraproject.org that run on Discourse software can be used by SM?

Is there any expectation that the aspect-ratio property from CSS will be supported in SM so that forums.opensuse.org and discussion.fedoraproject.org that run on Discourse software can be used by SM's users?

no login is possible in these two forums in SM

i just watched an automatic update to 2.53.18 come through, so it looks to be working now

I saw somewhere the other day the minimum firefox version that SM support equates to, but can't remember where. Can anyone here suggest where that might have been, or just state it here?

a-865: no real idea, but maybe ? it is 68 with later pieces added as time & progress allows?

a-865 orginally it was 56.0.2 Now it is close to 60 and much later stuff in too.

I've been well aware *some* later stuff is in. Even simply logging in on 2.53.18 on forums.opensuse.org is impossible since its "upgrade" over past the weekend. From the beginning last year I've had little appreciation for it's switch: forums.opensuse.org/t/i-hate-this-forum-software/164920

ah, Discourse

or I mean, Dischorse

disgust

Jeff Atwood is ... yeah, someone whose software I don't want to use ever

he considers that any PC not made in the last 4 years (or any cellphone that isn't the latest iPhone) should be put to pasture

and that reflects on his software design choices, including Discsores

forums.opensuse.org isn't a problem for SM, but also Pale Moon, Falkon and who knows what else

Discourse basically targets "latest Chrome, and maybe Firefox"

and "well, Safari because nothing else runs on iPhones"

now, 2-3 years ago they started actively sabotaging any browser that doesn't fit The Vision™

and if you believe it's terrible from a user end, you should ask The Daily WTF guys about their Discoursed™ era...

It's apparently a showcase for every stinking new addition to W3 specs, whether worthy or not.

they kept breaking the goddamned thing NEARLY EVERY DAY, including finding some nasty XSS bugs

...until Atwood himself (who was a mod there!) Discomunicated™ the forum, and banned all TDWTF regulars from the main Discourse support instance

(he doesn't believe in bugtrackers, so the support place is... a Discourse forum)

Discourse was also a terrible CPU hog, and outages were commonplace

TDWTF eventually migrated to NodeBB, which is... garbage too, just marginally less

what do you mean "was"???

it's just like Facebook, pages of indefinite length.

Terrible on both client AND server side

not sure if the latter is still true, as Discoursed™ customers never complain, showing their disregard towards their end users

Even if it would work I would not join a discourse based forum. This is just crap. If you use this for support you don't want to give support :)

oooh, I'm noticing that on that OpenSUSE instance they ENABLED PAGINATION!?

WTF

what.thedailywtf.com/topic/13327/te…l-discop%C3%A6dia-forums-dictionary related reading~

(Fun fact: NodeBB seems to work fine on SeaMonkey, at least as a lurker)

Discurse is a good one

They should rewrite the backend in rust then it would be better fitting :)

can't recall if Dischorse is written in Ruby

and the database backend is some NoSQL garbo

and it relies on so many moving parts that the only officially supported platform is Docker

you can't simply drop a bunch of files on a dir and run a script, it needs full fat Docker

(NodeBB is made in... well, JavaScript, hence the name - the database backend can actually use real databases, like PostgreSQL)

another option TDWTF briefly considered was Flarum, haven't seen anything using it in years

meta.discourse.org/t/about-support-for-legacy-browsers/210258/5 (use the inspector to disable the overflow rule sabotage)

"Our official browser support policy is the latest version of Firefox, Chrome, Safari and Edge."

so Firefox, Chrome, iOS because Apple gives no other options until the EU allows us to run Chrome there, and Chrome

interestingly enough, the openSUSE Dischorse instance somehow undos part of the sabotage (link hijacking, overflow shenanigans), and even enables pagination, which is supposedly Not Fitting The Vision™ according to the Jeffists