17:45:35 <andr01d> As if anyone needed another reason to hate on systemd -> systemd-bsod: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/12/linux-distros-are-about-to-get-a-killer-windows-feature-the-blue-screen-of-death/
18:35:42 <jonadab> Hate is a strong word.  I have consistently avoided ever using any distro that has systemd in it, because it's such an obviously bad idea.  But because of that, it hasn't caused *me* any problems...
18:35:50 <tomman> eh, I actually like BSoDs
18:36:00 <tomman> if systemd-bsod allows me to use any color other than blue, I'm deploying that ASAP
18:38:30 <jonadab> By "when a Linux system crashes" do they mean kernel panic?  (Please tell me the kernel team is not introducing systemd features into Linux _itself_ ...)
18:39:13 <jonadab> If they just mean "when some process dumps core", then ... whatever, I guess?
18:40:25 <jonadab> Oh, nevermind, the article answers my question.  They mean logged errors.
18:40:38 <jonadab> Because nobody knows how to put tail -f on the root window, I suppose.
18:55:24 <tomman> that's useless anyway if your system has crashed already
19:33:38 <jonadab> Depends what we mean by "system has crashed"
19:33:52 <jonadab> I was thinking kernel panic, in which case, yeah, you can't do squat till you hard-reset.
19:34:12 <jonadab> But what happens on kernel panic is up to the kernel team, systemd can't really do anything about that.
20:23:33 <WG9s> tomman: so the Fuchsia screen of death?
20:24:34 <WG9s> THat way reverting to the state where the crash occurred could be called "Back to the Fuchsia"
20:28:18 <frg_Away> Well Linux picks bad features from Windows and Windows picks bad features from Linux. Neither one did get better in the last years unless you are a a gamer or bleeding edge do nothing serious user.
21:20:54 <WG9s> and i just make bad jokes!
21:23:30 <james1138> Question about seamonkey in general... has anyone been able to sync it with Google Calendar?
21:35:43 <frg_Away> james1138 caldav should work in theory but not the google add-on. I only tried syncing with gmx a while ago.
21:38:17 <james1138> Humm... I tried - but when I click on the option of "new calendar" - Google is mssing from the options. I know Thunderbird version 97 and newer does auto-sync with Google Calendar.
21:38:49 <james1138> ...after setting up mu GMail account of course.
21:43:53 <frg_Away> You usally need to add a caldav link. Nativ is not implemented. Needed an add-on which was never distributed and is currently broken.
21:46:37 <james1138> 8-(
21:48:02 <james1138> ...what is Nativ?
21:50:53 <frg_Away> https://developers.google.com/calendar
21:51:11 <frg_Away> https://developers.google.com/calendar/api/guides/overview
21:51:41 <frg_Away> This should work (or not it is still google) https://developers.google.com/calendar/caldav/v2/guide
21:58:38 <WG9s> james1138: don't be a dick we all know he ment to type native.
22:00:21 <james1138> Stand down WG9s - I was not sure if frg_Away did a typo or referring to application/tweak.
22:00:41 <frg_Away> I just took it as a question
22:01:02 <WG9s> but an obvious typo like we all make
22:01:49 <james1138> Thank you frg_Away
22:02:25 <frg_Away> This was covered by the gdata add-on. I think it is either now integrated or superseded. Code is still in the 2.53 repo but needs updates.