15:22:39 <jonadab> tomman: I tend to agree.  Apart from maybe live streams, most use cases would be better served by just tossing an .mpeg file up on a web server and linking to it.
15:23:35 <jonadab> But nobody ever does that any more.  Heck, most folks don't even do that with PDFs any more, they have to give you some crazy-horrible in-page PDF viewer.
18:16:35 <tomman> jonadab: to be fair, I'm fine with PDFs inside browsers
18:16:43 <tomman> they're a DOCUMENT format, after all
18:17:01 <tomman> and one that is more suitable for the Internet than raw $OFFICE_SUITE documents
18:17:10 <tomman> but yeah, another layer of complexity, etc.
18:17:28 <tomman> I do not want to deal with binary plugins for that (hello Adobe! And rot in hell!)
18:18:10 <tomman> Multimedia formats however are something I enjoy on an application suitable for the task, which is not and will never be a web browser
19:08:25 <therube> Theora, https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=185134
19:14:11 <tomman> "At the same time, 99.999999% people are exposed to possible vulnerabilities hidden in this codec. It's just not worth it."
19:14:21 <tomman> gotta love the sekuritah FUD as an argument to nuke Theora
19:14:32 <tomman> ...but on the flip side, Theora has been deader than dead for the last decade
19:15:03 <tomman> basically only Wikipedia cared, until they didn't
19:16:53 <tomman> Having said that, the fact Google is directing this effort to kill things they don't like (because of NIH, mainly) doesn't surprise me
19:17:15 <tomman> it just shows how strong is their iron fist over the Internet standards these days
19:17:30 <tomman> if Bill Gates were dead, he would be revolting on his grave
21:00:51 <MattATobin>  of hexchat crashing on here
21:00:58 <MattATobin> sick of*
21:01:09 <MattATobin> frg_Away: kicking the xulorg xr now btw
21:03:06 <frg_Away> MattATobin this one new url? http://xr.binaryoutcast.com/seamonkey-2.53/search
21:07:09 <frg_Away> Well lots of things that would make the internet  a better place. They could start with wasm,  then web components including shadow dom, then service workers and then later theora and a few other things :)
21:08:51 <tomman> Theora is one of those rare things that put me into a dilemma: noone would shed a tear if it went away overnight and silently, but the fact Chrome is spearheading the effort to bury it basically makes me to react in anger, even if I have never encoded anything into that codec :D
21:09:29 <tomman> if Mozilla had been the first one to give it the proverbial boot into the buttocks to Theora, we would have heard a few angry words from some hardcore FOSS nerds, but that's it
21:09:53 <tomman> but nope, Chrome did it first, and Mozilla specifically cites THAT as a reason
21:10:48 <frg_Away> same with jpeg xl I think. But another format I do not miss.
21:11:04 <tomman> JPEG XL wasn't even given a chance to fight :/
21:11:18 <tomman> death by committee because Google had to push WebP
21:11:51 <tomman> Theora got their chance and flopped miserably, because 90% of the planet doesn't care about the MPEG-LA mafia cartel
21:12:14 <frg_Away> webp another formant I wouldn't miss :)
23:06:35 <MattATobin> frg_Away: no xr.thereisonlyxul.org
23:06:44 <MattATobin> is where those sources will be
23:07:06 <MattATobin> binoc's will ride off the same instance tho
23:09:15 <MattATobin> it will be ncie to have ALL the codebases searchable again
23:10:51 <MattATobin> the ONLY difference between xulorg and binoc's xr is that BinOC's will have non-mozilla projects and not so many archives listed and xulorg won't have non-mozilla binoc stuff and will have all the historical trees we are accustom to
23:12:27 <MattATobin> I'll have the php bit send people around to the correct domain when relevant via url which covers the perl generated dropdowns between similar trees
23:12:42 <MattATobin> all trivial stuff
23:12:46 <MattATobin> just time consuming
23:12:53 <MattATobin> cause reindexing what 20 some trees
23:12:54 <MattATobin> lol
23:14:12 <frg_Away> Thanks. Will update my link and the one in the wiki when I update the notes.
23:28:37 <Guest57> good day
23:29:13 <Guest57> I flashed my Bios on a chromebook and installed linux  thought no F11 key
23:29:30 <Guest57> Would be nice to have a full screen button on the navigation tool bar
23:30:30 <Guest57> Is everyone sleeping here?
23:31:52 <tomman> wat, Chromebooks do not have function keys?
23:32:16 <Guest57> they do but not  all of them
23:32:45 <Guest57> i do not have it with me i think f1 to F9
23:32:53 <tomman> then, what about a Fn+another key combo?
23:33:31 <Guest57> I would change the combo if it is possible
23:34:29 <Guest57> also there is no Del key for ctrl shift del  -  clear history
23:34:30 <tomman> you can't change hotkeys on a vanilla setup of any Mozilla product
23:34:36 <tomman> wonder if there is an extension for that
23:35:26 <Guest57> Fire fox has a full screen button on latest version on the navigation bar
23:35:48 <Guest57> plus the chromebook has a good touchscreen interface
23:36:43 <tomman> oh, that would be indeed a good compromise, but there is no fullscreen button on SeaMonkey either, just the menubar entry and F11
23:36:43 <Guest57> a full screen button option for the navigation bar would be easiest for most users
23:37:47 <Guest57> was thinking the  developers might add a button for the navigation bar r i am requesting this
23:38:28 <tomman> https://addons.thunderbird.net/EN-us/seamonkey/addon/toolbar-buttons/ this addon MIGHT had what you're looking for, but I don't know if it works on recent releases of SeaMonkey
23:39:11 <tomman> and from what I've seen in my brief 60-second search, you're not the first looking for a fullscreen button
23:39:18 <Guest57> well my battery is almost gone, I will check your link,  and maybe the  developers might add a button to the navigation bar next releases cycle
23:41:25 <tomman> I wouldn't hold my breath for that, given that very few people have been looking for one (although in 2007, touchscreens were not a thing on laptops), but I would definitely try to get that addon working