Gonna update my nightly in a few minutes, any late-minute breaking bugs or new shinies I need to be aware of?

tomman using it all day. So far not. New async cookie stuff in but seems to work.

OK, I'm good to go then~

frg_Away: do i need to kick the xulorg xref?

i should just setup the dang cron job it won't do anything if there is nothing to do.. Yeah I'll do that .. disregard the question

also... NO NOT AS THIS NAME I WON'T

NewTobinParadigm Hi! No only in the prerelease yet. We are late with 2.53.18

frg_Away: I have had a week I tell you

lot of local insanity

really has my mind focused tho..

MattATobin well insanity seems to be the new normal :)

well not the new insanity

this is.. classic insanity

I am well suited to handle it.

frg_Away: :P

insanity is the new normal indeed, be it old or new

the very moment you push the power button on a PC, you don't run code, you invoke insanity

yeah but the new insanity thinks the old insanity is old and insecure

or something tomman

lol

ah, that reminds me that GNOME wants to nuke X11 and Wayland defenders want to bury me with the usual "butbutbut it is INSECUUUUUUUURE!!!!" crap

tomman: I told you this a month ago

gonna be fun when Debian finally switches to Wayland with no option to go back

did you forget I am also a KIND of prophet?

sometimes

unlike Pipewire, a transition that was so subtle that things kept working without even noticing

man, I didn't had time to hate on Pipewire because... It Just Werks™!

that's something you can rarely say from any new piece of software these days

but Wayland... lolno

well wayland is gonna be forced on everyone regardless

xorg is dead

it has been dead for 10 years

deader than seamonkey under neil's leadership

then I'm a extinct dinosaur

if Debian forces Wayland on me, then I'm switching back to Windows Me

tomman: nah you're a cave man

or simply quitting computers forever

and your cave will likely outlast the other fucker's shack

my cave is anything but shiny

but at least it has LED lamps :D

anyway the SOLUTION is

make em do what they should anyway

which has been working recently

but it will never be x12

however

xwayland could be if more focus and attention was given

and more features added so that xwayland can actually HOST a de not just an application

this SEEMS to be the ONLY viable way through short of a new effort to create an actual x11 successor

tomman:

which would fail as it is too foundational to continue without vendor and distro support

or someone's bank account anyway

People insist in saying that "Wayland IS X12" and "Xorg developers are now Wayland developers", but with so many half-assed / missing / outright broken features, "my way or the highway" developers (sounds familiar?), nVidia's refusal to play ball (not Wayland's fault per se, but shaming users for their GPU choices is of bad taste), and a general disregard for anything that isn't lifted off...

...from cellphones... well

...I'm not using Wayland for as long as I'm alive

tomman: then you will not be using linux eventually

are you prepared for that

I'm a citizen of the Soviet Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, so soon I would not even be using electricity

so yeah...

well least it makes it more interesting

which goes first

x11 or basic electric

that's no fair, betting on Venezuela is like betting on a race between a Formula 1 and a stolen bike with a flat tire :D

tomman: well just please understand i was not trying to say do this or else only highlight the consiquences.. most unlike you or I make those declairations and then a few days later are doing what they said they don't forgive me

nah, I'm well aware that the future is grim no matter which path me or the world pursues

can you .. leave?

nah

the last thing the world needs is yet another Venezuelan defector fleeing from a not-war

not an option for me, and that's for the best

at least I have a roof, some food, and aging computers being actively sabotaged by Apple wannabes :)

MattATobin: hasn't Xorg actually had a recentish release in the past few months? or that was just changing build systems?

the problem might be that there is no other group working on X, or is there any other X project?

(who's the current upstream for Xorg? freedesktop?)

hello, tried seamonkey 2.53.18b1-pre. this developer version contains a "New RegExp Engine in Spidermonkey" patch. This new RegExp Engine improove massively the capability to show javascript websites correctly. Does somebody know whether thist new RegExp Engine will be added to source code in version 2.53.18 ?

njsg: yeah but no one is invested in active development it is basically more zombied than sm was circa say 2015

norgo the new regexp will be 2.53.18. The prerelease will become the beta and then the release. Hopefully pretty soon. Still polishing a few things.

frg_Away: if it would help once I get xulorg's xr back onto another server I could support a latest_trunk.txt as well

MattATobin well there is only the messy queue and no actual latest trunk so this would be hard to achieve I think.

yeah i see

Spam.

I bought a can of spam

for what reason I dunno

MattATobin 2.53.18 got lots of backports and is overdue. Usually it is not that bad and evern here the xref 2.53.17.1 is usually ok. Check it frequently for stuff.

i can't wait to try it my self and build with it

also

frg_Away: for central do i just need vs2022 the sdk and rust and mozillabuild and i can build per normal or do i HAVE to use mach bootstrap

rust/clang*

cause i really hate that mach bootstrap process

MattATobin I think you need mach bootstrap. need to set up clang cbindgen bindgen nasm and a ton of other dependencies. Central is becoming worse by the month. Also the configure pulls in the stuff anyway during build unless you use ac_add_options --disable-bootstrap

Also ac_add_options --without-wasm-sandboxed-libraries unless you want to have some fun with rlbox.

linux isn't as bad i take it

yes but you still need llvm. But atl least the dependencies are mostly used from system.

thank you for that tho --disable-bootstrap should give me enough to assemblem manually and create a guide only a few nutballs like me will use but hey that is part of what I do right frg_Away

I just don't like the idea of mozilla controlling and installing toolchain stuff

it is.. conserning

I get why they do it but damn manual instructions would be nice

I WILL WRITE THEM

let me check if we have reached the 500 rust crates dependency yet :)

could be worse

could be... node.js

tomman They now pull in node js packages too and depend on them :)

eww

Only 491 rust crates. 4 more than the last time I counted. We are getting close!

well

it's only a problem if you ever have to touch the code

too bad aside from waterfox badly doing it and whaetver wackjob direction thunderbird is going no one else uses CURRENT mozilla technology for anything

not really

not for more than a minor rebuild

The build system is turning into a maze and you have a hard time using parts of iany gecko code.

I've seen projects whose build systems HAVE a build system!

I guess that's the next step for Mozilla

well leave why don't you

LOL

hi tomman

tomman: isn't mozbuild a build system to generate makefiles that rely on autoconf?

is that even a real question because as a "Build System God" as I deemed my self some time ago I already know the answer

developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/We…ons_API/Using_the_Notifications_API wait, what - MDN now dies with a WSoD here!?

it blinks for a split second, then... bye bye page

"SyntaxError: An invalid or illegal string was specified"

that line starts with !function()

> SyntaxError: An invalid or illegal string was specified main.553bdfe0.js:2

ah no, it's some .TS script

iframe.contentWindow?.postMessage?.(message, { targetOrigin: "*" });